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    hjl360
    Haraki san Student
    Joined: 4 Jun 2024

    How about a new competition

    Iron heart invitational

    When the system is corrupted, start a revolution!

    last edited by 25 Jan 2025, 19:55 I A 2 Replies Last reply 25 Jan 2025, 19:56 Reply Quote 2
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      iamjustdanny
      Haraki san Student
      @hjl360
      Joined: 17 Apr 2021

      @hjl360 🤔

      Depending on details, I'd probably be down.

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        Alex
        IHUK Crew
        @JunkPants
        Joined: 28 Sept 2009

        @JunkPants I have no dog in this fight, but to me it makes sense to have consistent judges in all divisions. So the SEA judges prefer high contrast fades, and the ROW prefer low contrast fades, for eg, then you're all shooting for different goals without really knowing it.

        Again, has nothing to do with me, but that is what I would be suggesting if I were you guys

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          JunkPants
          Haraki san Student
          @Alex
          Joined: 20 Nov 2022
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            Alex
            IHUK Crew
            @hjl360
            Joined: 28 Sept 2009

            @hjl360 said in Indigo invitational Y4:

            When the system is corrupted, start a revolution!

            I mean, is there evidence of corruption? Or just evidence that there have been different judges, judging things differently?

            And out of interest, what hypothetical gain is there for the organisers to be corrupt? Seems like a bit of a stretch, I have to say

            last edited by Alex 25 Jan 2025, 20:07 C 1 Reply Last reply 25 Jan 2025, 20:14 Reply Quote 1
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              ZackB
              Haraki san Student
              Joined: 3 Jul 2024

              Maybe bias and not corruption.
              I agree the rules should be clearly defined and should be the same panel throughout or at least have the same standards they’re judging everyone on.

              last edited by 25 Jan 2025, 20:12 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
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                Crispy Heron
                Haraki san Prodigy
                @Alex
                Joined: 1 Jan 2021

                @Alex - the system is not corrupt. Ultimately, whatever competition you have it will come down to subjective opinions. We may all say ‘I can’t believe that they chose that’ but that’s what you get with such contests. However, I must say that the different judging panels and the slightly ‘odd’ results does raise the question for future invitationals: why bother?

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                  Alex
                  IHUK Crew
                  @Crispy Heron
                  Joined: 28 Sept 2009

                  @Crispy-Heron said in Indigo invitational Y4:

                  why bother?

                  I mean this is clearly a question for the participants, one of which I am not nor ever have been

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                    Alex
                    IHUK Crew
                    @Crispy Heron
                    Joined: 28 Sept 2009

                    @Crispy-Heron said in Indigo invitational Y4:

                    whatever competition you have it will come down to subjective opinions

                    Yep, agreed, and

                    @Crispy-Heron said in Indigo invitational Y4:

                    ‘odd’ results

                    is also subjective (not saying that i disagree with you, just stating fact)

                    last edited by Alex 25 Jan 2025, 20:17 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                      Alex
                      IHUK Crew
                      @Crispy Heron
                      Joined: 28 Sept 2009

                      @Crispy-Heron said in Indigo invitational Y4:

                      different judging panels

                      Agreed, as I have stated already

                      last edited by 25 Jan 2025, 20:18 C 1 Reply Last reply 25 Jan 2025, 20:21 Reply Quote 1
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                        Crispy Heron
                        Haraki san Prodigy
                        @Alex
                        Joined: 1 Jan 2021

                        @Alex - we are in violent agreement. But even with subjectivity comes an element of ‘really’?

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                          Alex
                          IHUK Crew
                          @Alex
                          Joined: 28 Sept 2009

                          @Alex said in Indigo invitational Y4:

                          the SEA judges prefer high contrast fades, and the ROW prefer low contrast fades, for eg

                          I guess this is my best theory, @Crispy-Heron, not that its a particularly good one (or based on any facts)

                          last edited by Alex 25 Jan 2025, 20:23 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
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                            hjl360
                            Haraki san Student
                            Joined: 4 Jun 2024

                            Yeah corruption is probably a bit extreme haha. I agree inconsistency across the regions seems more so the issue

                            last edited by 25 Jan 2025, 21:09 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                              Kasi
                              見習いボス
                              Joined: 9 Oct 2014

                              Regions is the issue.

                              One of the conversations with Bryan, I had was in hot country on holiday in Morocco. Did an experience with ocean and sea soak.

                              How the hottest area affect the jeans. React differently.

                              I clearly said no change people from cold weather stand a chance. He knew deep down about this

                              Fade difference can be seen. They have the upper chance with best looking fades
                              Which is very unfair.
                              If they fade like me and James working your arse off they know about it.

                              He was meant to break it up. Pick the winners that’s way round it up. God knows what he done.

                              He gave James a ring in the end, the amount of shit I gave him.

                              The message he drop middle of the conversation was what do want me do, nothing can be done. Kinda piss me of more so kept digging at him. He deserves it.

                              All nonsense.
                              James heard it all.
                              That’s why he a Champion. 🏆 @Jcaz6996

                              The world's insane
                              While you drink champagne
                              And I'm livin' in black rain 4Q 🖕

                              last edited by Kasi 25 Jan 2025, 22:17 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 1
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                                bobbychacha
                                Raw and Unwashed
                                @JunkPants
                                Joined: 21 Aug 2020

                                @JunkPants said in Indigo invitational Y4:

                                Could hardly believe it when I saw the top 3 for ROW.

                                First and second place for ROW were wildcards. For an event like this I'm not sure if it's a good idea to have judges whose aesthetic sense is at odds with the community.

                                This is the part that irks me the most - why even bother with a voting round when ultimately the community’s voice is overridden by the judges? To me this really taints the results as it feels like the winners were almost forced onto the podium for some reason.

                                I would honestly like to see judging end at the initial down-select, then have it all democratised and decided by those who put in the time and effort to cross the finish line. I think it would be awesome to have a playoff bracket where the judges’ top 50 gets thinned out and seeded into a bracket based on votes. Then there would be subsequent voting rounds to decided who advances. The championship could be the “ROW conference” winner vs the “SEA conference” winner. Maybe I’ve had too much tequila and am a little too excited for the Eagles game tomorrow, but I think I might be on to something….🤣🤪

                                last edited by 25 Jan 2025, 22:25 J 1 Reply Last reply 25 Jan 2025, 23:23 Reply Quote 3
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                                  JunkPants
                                  Haraki san Student
                                  @bobbychacha
                                  Joined: 20 Nov 2022

                                  @bobbychacha said in Indigo invitational Y4:

                                  @JunkPants said in Indigo invitational Y4:

                                  Could hardly believe it when I saw the top 3 for ROW.

                                  First and second place for ROW were wildcards. For an event like this I'm not sure if it's a good idea to have judges whose aesthetic sense is at odds with the community.

                                  This is the part that irks me the most - why even bother with a voting round when ultimately the community’s voice is overridden by the judges? To me this really taints the results as it feels like the winners were almost forced onto the podium for some reason.

                                  Yep. "To all of you passionate and dedicated denim enthusiasts, who put in the work for a whole year and made it all possible: Thank you for your input, but we know better." 😂 😆

                                  To be clear I'm joking/exaggerating here. I actually think the Indigo Invitational is great, and am looking forward to joining again for Y5. I'm also too slow of a fader to ever be in the running for a top spot, so I have no disappointments related to my own placing.

                                  That said, it seems clear to me that they've yet to perfect the voting/judging system. And I can definitely see how the results may sour some people on the whole thing.

                                  Figuring out a way to have it be more democratised as you say seems like a good idea to me.

                                  @bobbychacha said in Indigo invitational Y4:

                                  I would honestly like to see judging end at the initial down-select, then have it all democratised and decided by those who put in the time and effort to cross the finish line. I think it would be awesome to have a playoff bracket where the judges’ top 50 gets thinned out and seeded into a bracket based on votes. Then there would be subsequent voting rounds to decided who advances. The championship could be the “ROW conference” winner vs the “SEA conference” winner. Maybe I’ve had too much tequila and am a little too excited for the Eagles game tomorrow, but I think I might be on to something….🤣🤪

                                  This should in fact be happening! From the Y4 Rulebook:
                                  • First place finishers from each conference will go head-to-head to determine our overall winner.

                                  last edited by JunkPants 25 Jan 2025, 23:23 B 1 Reply Last reply 25 Jan 2025, 23:41 Reply Quote 0
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                                    bobbychacha
                                    Raw and Unwashed
                                    @JunkPants
                                    Joined: 21 Aug 2020

                                    @JunkPants said in Indigo invitational Y4:

                                    To be clear I'm joking/exaggerating here. I actually think the Indigo Invitational is great, and am looking forward to joining again for Y5. I'm also too slow of a fader to ever be in the running for a top spot, so I have no disappointments related to my own placing.

                                    Yeah, I’m right there with you - I had no illusions that I had a shot at winning. I am mainly upset with the process and pissed that other contestants in this forum who IMO had more impressive fades AND were voted into the top 16 got the shaft. That said, I already have my Y5 pair 🤣

                                    This should in fact be happening! From the Y4 Rulebook:
                                    • First place finishers from each conference will go head-to-head to determine our overall winner.

                                    That will be…interesting. I wonder which judges get to decide that?

                                    last edited by 25 Jan 2025, 23:41 J 1 Reply Last reply 25 Jan 2025, 23:55 Reply Quote 1
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                                      JunkPants
                                      Haraki san Student
                                      @bobbychacha
                                      Joined: 20 Nov 2022

                                      @bobbychacha said in Indigo invitational Y4:

                                      @JunkPants said in Indigo invitational Y4:

                                      This should in fact be happening! From the Y4 Rulebook:
                                      • First place finishers from each conference will go head-to-head to determine our overall winner.

                                      That will be…interesting. I wonder which judges get to decide that?

                                      I would assume it would be all the judges, but who knows.

                                      last edited by JunkPants 25 Jan 2025, 23:55 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                                        Davids_denim
                                        Haraki san Student
                                        Joined: 8 Feb 2023

                                        I vote we just have Ruedi Karrer be the sole judge of the entire thing. 🤣

                                        IG : Davids_Denim

                                        last edited by Davids_denim 26 Jan 2025, 00:37 olblueO A 2 Replies Last reply 26 Jan 2025, 02:17 Reply Quote 3
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                                          olblue
                                          Raw and Unwashed
                                          @Davids_denim
                                          Joined: 25 Mar 2024

                                          @Davids_denim I’m going to second this notion. Have been listening to yall on the board and couldn’t agree more. For all transparency I saw this as a battle between James and Cade. Couldn’t be happier more for the folks who got it just cuz they’re some solid folks but overall the community lost on this one. I feel like that’s the overall disservice. Folks who truly love denim and see the art in it versuses judges who aren’t necessarily as convicted or appreciate what the overall community sees as the best of the best. @Jcaz6996 to me personally you were my overall…just want to say brother fucking solid beautiful pair of jeans.

                                          last edited by 26 Jan 2025, 02:17 D Jcaz6996J 2 Replies Last reply 26 Jan 2025, 02:43 Reply Quote 3
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