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    louisbosco
    啓蒙家
    Joined: 21 Feb 2013

    Tank slappers happen when you abruptly throttle during a corner, as most would call it a high side. It is also the one of a few fears in the back of my mind from my first track day. (The other being a low side with not enough throttle) From what i know, it greatly helps being smooth on the throttle as you exit the corner into the straight. Similar to a car, when you exit a corner, you'd want to ease into the throttle and let the return straight as naturally as possible and use all of the track.

    What I've done is probably given it slight more throttle than needed, when aligning straight up, having the torque lift the front end by a bit. The clutch isn't used except engaging 1st as this bike is equipped with a quick shifter. From what I've seen/ experience, in most racing scenarios, the rear brake is little to almost never used at all, but I could be wrong. But then again, 208hp/123nm is more than enough to lift the front end regardless.

    A few things to improve is:

    -To go lower and using my knee as a guide. 50° seems fairly low but from pictures and videos, they're not as low as I thought.

    • To be a little more confident on the throttle in slower corners as they greatly improve the momentum and help with CoG

    @WhiskeySandwich soz about the 360 views, I might have gone a bit too far trying to show different perspectives. I'm not that great of a video editor 😂

    "Loyalty is a two way street. If i'm asking for it from you, then you're getting it from me."

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      Jett129
      見習いボス
      @goosehd
      Joined: 17 Aug 2011

      @goosehd Front brake feathering is something that I found extremely helpful when going down twisty mountain roads,which is why I asked about it. Had a friend who was trail braking and hit a pothole which pushed his foot into the brake causing him to high side.

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        goosehd
        Mod Squad
        @Jett129
        Joined: 8 Apr 2016

        @Jett129 Ouch!! The more I ride the less confident I am. I'm comfortable on a bike, but always amazed at how easy it is for a bike to get away from you. About 7-8 years ago, a freak downpour started while I was approaching a stop light. I started to brake and the bike just slid out from underneath me. I was only doing about 10 mph at the time and was amazed that I couldn't keep it up.

        The thing is that I was gentle on the brakes and hadn't panicked. Still just chalk it up to luck, but I still haven't figured that one out.

        "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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          WhiskeySandwich
          啓蒙家
          @louisbosco
          Joined: 1 Mar 2023

          @louisbosco no it looked great, not bashing your editing or the video at all! I just mean that it tricks my sympathetic equilibrium into a weird balancing quandary. lol

          "The greatest obstacle to living is expectancy, which hangs upon tomorrow and loses today...The whole future lies in uncertainty: Live immediately."
          -Seneca

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            WhiskeySandwich
            啓蒙家
            @goosehd
            Joined: 1 Mar 2023

            @goosehd said in Motorcycles:

            I couldn't keep it up.

            ...they have meds for that but they may make you less aerodynamic and cause some odd looks. 😆

            "The greatest obstacle to living is expectancy, which hangs upon tomorrow and loses today...The whole future lies in uncertainty: Live immediately."
            -Seneca

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              louisbosco
              啓蒙家
              @goosehd
              Joined: 21 Feb 2013

              @goosehd funny how I just mentioned the triumph on a rainy day and the rear went loose in 5th while accelerating and what you say is true. happens to me on a dry day too let alone a wet one.

              sometimes, when you're pushing hard on the road and just overestimate your braking. being agile and having quick reactions is good but it's understandable we lose it as we get older. that's why having experience is important.

              @Jett129 I'm get what you're on but the whole point to me about trail braking is to load the front hard, and turn into the corner so the front tyres get grip while it's loaded. by the exit of the apex, the brakes should be almost, if not fully released.

              "Loyalty is a two way street. If i'm asking for it from you, then you're getting it from me."

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                louisbosco
                啓蒙家
                @goosehd
                Joined: 21 Feb 2013

                @goosehd said in Motorcycles:
                I couldn't keep it up.

                happens to the best of us.. 🤣

                @WhiskeySandwich said in Motorcycles:

                @louisbosco no it looked great, not bashing your editing or the video at all! I just mean that it tricks my sympathetic equilibrium into a weird balancing quandary. lol

                tbh I still feel very unnatural doing my edits compared to others I've seen out there. the guy from The Shop Vancouver does brilliant insta360 video edits. I've picked up a few tricks from him but my wifi to phone isn't working atm therefore I had to rely on manual gyro though the laptop

                "Loyalty is a two way street. If i'm asking for it from you, then you're getting it from me."

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                  Jett129
                  見習いボス
                  @louisbosco
                  Joined: 17 Aug 2011

                  @louisbosco If I thought that I had come into a corner a little bit too hot I would feather the front brake lean and then roll out of the corner,with zero braking.

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                    louisbosco
                    啓蒙家
                    @Jett129
                    Joined: 21 Feb 2013

                    @Jett129 I've definitely felt that on certain laps where I try to push the braking point a little further down. I've had experience with mushy brake on a car track day before and I thought that was the case after a few push laps. guess I need a little more confidence in braking for a bike..

                    "Loyalty is a two way street. If i'm asking for it from you, then you're getting it from me."

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                      Jett129
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                      @louisbosco
                      Joined: 17 Aug 2011

                      @louisbosco Another question I have for you is… Do you or have you ever used delayed apex cornering? Some people swear by it others, not so much. It sometimes came in handy on a Harley.

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                        goosehd
                        Mod Squad
                        Joined: 8 Apr 2016

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                        "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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                          Jett129
                          見習いボス
                          @goosehd
                          Joined: 17 Aug 2011

                          @goosehd The white/yellow lines on the road can become really slippery when wet. Did you happen to go over some of those?

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                            louisbosco
                            啓蒙家
                            @Jett129
                            Joined: 21 Feb 2013

                            @Jett129 on a track, it really depends on the layout and corners. depending on how you want to set up yourself for the exit or the following corner.

                            With Sepang track layout, some corners require late apex and with 1 corner, missing the first apex to set yourself up for the second.

                            for this track, from rough knowledge:

                            -turn 1 is double apex followed by late for 2.
                            -turn 4 is late for me (currently) to set up for 5 as you have to position yourself to the right for 5's apex
                            -turn 7 is a missed apex for 8
                            -turn 9 is a late apex
                            -turn 14 is a late apex to set up for the exit to straight, same as turn 15.

                            "Loyalty is a two way street. If i'm asking for it from you, then you're getting it from me."

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                              goosehd
                              Mod Squad
                              @Jett129
                              Joined: 8 Apr 2016

                              @Jett129 I think it was oil from cars stopped at the stoplight. It had been dry for a long time and the first hard rain in a while. The combination of the two is what I think got me.

                              I’ve had experience with the lines too and had a few what the hell
                              moments. Kept the bike up and glad that in my riders course the warning about them. Slippery lil bastards…

                              "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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                                Jett129
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                                @louisbosco
                                Joined: 17 Aug 2011

                                @louisbosco Very cool. Thank you!

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                                  FlavourFade
                                  Raw and Unwashed
                                  Joined: 15 Jan 2024

                                  As suggested by @louisbosco this is my motorcycle. It's my first one to learn and get used to riding and even if it's small and slow I love it.

                                  Royal Enfield Classic 350

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                                  Insta: free_the_fades

                                  wtb:
                                  The Pale Rider XXL

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                                    endo
                                    見習いボス
                                    Joined: 29 May 2020

                                    very nice @FlavourFade I rented one for two weeks when I was in India late 90s, drove all around Goa, wonderful memories

                                    si tacuisses

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                                      Giles
                                      IHUK Crew
                                      Joined: 22 Sept 2009

                                      @louisbosco You aren't trying until I see you doing this....

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                                      "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                                        louisbosco
                                        啓蒙家
                                        Joined: 21 Feb 2013

                                        @FlavourFade damn that's beautiful! I love that British racing green!!

                                        @Giles 😂😂😂 I'll find a spot where I can lie on the track so the photographers can shoot this...

                                        "Loyalty is a two way street. If i'm asking for it from you, then you're getting it from me."

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                                          WhiskeySandwich
                                          啓蒙家
                                          Joined: 1 Mar 2023

                                          the farthest my bike leans over is when its on its kickstand lol

                                          "The greatest obstacle to living is expectancy, which hangs upon tomorrow and loses today...The whole future lies in uncertainty: Live immediately."
                                          -Seneca

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