Motorcycles
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@louisbosco So I’ve been thinking about the 2:25 minute mark (exit 14) quite a bit and wondering what you did/or should do to keep from losing control.
Do you:
- Stay in it and ride it out
- Slip the clutch and slightly roll off the throttle to bring the front end back down
- Slightly drag the rear brake to bring the front end down
- Let the electronics figure it out and enjoy the ride.
I would have been seriously sweating bullets at those speeds and am impressed you rode it out. I really don’t think I could have and have no clue what I would or should be doing in that situation.
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@Jett129 I don’t know if it would because the front end was lifting. Feathering the front brake may shift the balance slightly bringing the bike back under control, but I really have no idea what you should do.
It looks like the bike has a steering dampener which would keep the bars from doing a tank slap which is what would truly scare the crap out of me. I’ve seen a few videos of violent tank slap episodes and I don’t know how anyone rides that out.
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@louisbosco That was so much fun to watch you whip that bike and track into shape. Almost riding season here and this is helping.
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@Jett129 Been thinking about the feathering the brake thing quite a bit and wonder if it does help. The front wheel spinning should act as a gyroscope which could either help stabilize the bike or throw it into a fit. By feathering that front brake, it may help...once again, I have no idea and hope that someone chimes in.
Not that I can ride to that ability and would probably lose the bike in doing anything like it.
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Tank slappers happen when you abruptly throttle during a corner, as most would call it a high side. It is also the one of a few fears in the back of my mind from my first track day. (The other being a low side with not enough throttle) From what i know, it greatly helps being smooth on the throttle as you exit the corner into the straight. Similar to a car, when you exit a corner, you'd want to ease into the throttle and let the return straight as naturally as possible and use all of the track.
What I've done is probably given it slight more throttle than needed, when aligning straight up, having the torque lift the front end by a bit. The clutch isn't used except engaging 1st as this bike is equipped with a quick shifter. From what I've seen/ experience, in most racing scenarios, the rear brake is little to almost never used at all, but I could be wrong. But then again, 208hp/123nm is more than enough to lift the front end regardless.
A few things to improve is:
-To go lower and using my knee as a guide. 50° seems fairly low but from pictures and videos, they're not as low as I thought.
- To be a little more confident on the throttle in slower corners as they greatly improve the momentum and help with CoG
@WhiskeySandwich soz about the 360 views, I might have gone a bit too far trying to show different perspectives. I'm not that great of a video editor
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@Jett129 Ouch!! The more I ride the less confident I am. I'm comfortable on a bike, but always amazed at how easy it is for a bike to get away from you. About 7-8 years ago, a freak downpour started while I was approaching a stop light. I started to brake and the bike just slid out from underneath me. I was only doing about 10 mph at the time and was amazed that I couldn't keep it up.
The thing is that I was gentle on the brakes and hadn't panicked. Still just chalk it up to luck, but I still haven't figured that one out.
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@louisbosco no it looked great, not bashing your editing or the video at all! I just mean that it tricks my sympathetic equilibrium into a weird balancing quandary. lol
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@goosehd said in Motorcycles:
I couldn't keep it up.
...they have meds for that but they may make you less aerodynamic and cause some odd looks.
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@goosehd funny how I just mentioned the triumph on a rainy day and the rear went loose in 5th while accelerating and what you say is true. happens to me on a dry day too let alone a wet one.
sometimes, when you're pushing hard on the road and just overestimate your braking. being agile and having quick reactions is good but it's understandable we lose it as we get older. that's why having experience is important.
@Jett129 I'm get what you're on but the whole point to me about trail braking is to load the front hard, and turn into the corner so the front tyres get grip while it's loaded. by the exit of the apex, the brakes should be almost, if not fully released.
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@goosehd said in Motorcycles:
I couldn't keep it up.happens to the best of us..
@WhiskeySandwich said in Motorcycles:
@louisbosco no it looked great, not bashing your editing or the video at all! I just mean that it tricks my sympathetic equilibrium into a weird balancing quandary. lol
tbh I still feel very unnatural doing my edits compared to others I've seen out there. the guy from The Shop Vancouver does brilliant insta360 video edits. I've picked up a few tricks from him but my wifi to phone isn't working atm therefore I had to rely on manual gyro though the laptop
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@louisbosco If I thought that I had come into a corner a little bit too hot I would feather the front brake lean and then roll out of the corner,with zero braking.
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@Jett129 I've definitely felt that on certain laps where I try to push the braking point a little further down. I've had experience with mushy brake on a car track day before and I thought that was the case after a few push laps. guess I need a little more confidence in braking for a bike..
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@louisbosco Another question I have for you is… Do you or have you ever used delayed apex cornering? Some people swear by it others, not so much. It sometimes came in handy on a Harley.
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@Jett129 on a track, it really depends on the layout and corners. depending on how you want to set up yourself for the exit or the following corner.
With Sepang track layout, some corners require late apex and with 1 corner, missing the first apex to set yourself up for the second.
for this track, from rough knowledge:
-turn 1 is double apex followed by late for 2.
-turn 4 is late for me (currently) to set up for 5 as you have to position yourself to the right for 5's apex
-turn 7 is a missed apex for 8
-turn 9 is a late apex
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@Jett129 I think it was oil from cars stopped at the stoplight. It had been dry for a long time and the first hard rain in a while. The combination of the two is what I think got me.
I’ve had experience with the lines too and had a few what the hell
moments. Kept the bike up and glad that in my riders course the warning about them. Slippery lil bastards…
