IH-888S-21MB - 21oz Selvedge Denim Medium/High Rise Tapered Cut - Mad Black
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How different are these from the superblack?
Very. Or at least as different as two black jeans can be.
Superblack uses a reactive dye that fuses with the cotton fibres meaning it will not fade. The denim is also fabric dyed meaning it receives colouring before being cut and sewn.
The “Mad Black” is over-dyed with two different fugitive dyes. Fugitive dyes do not form a bond with the cotton fibres meaning they will rub off the cotton with abrasion and agitation. This results in it fading. Overdyed products are also garment dyed. These were originally a finished pair of indigo jeans, IH-888s, that have been dyed with the fugitive dyes after they were cut and sewn.
On an aesthetic level the differences are that the SB will retain their colour and have a stiffer hand and a truer black colour. The Mad Black will be much softer because of the extra processes and will have a matte black colour. They will also fade. Finally sizing will be slightly different as these are different iterations of the same cut and overdying removes all possible shrinkage from the fabric.
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How different are these from the superblack?
Very. Or at least as different as two black jeans can be.
Superblack uses a reactive dye that fuses with the cotton fibres meaning it will not fade. The denim is also fabric dyed meaning it receives colouring before being cut and sewn.
The “Mad Black” is over-dyed with two different fugitive dyes. Fugitive dyes do not form a bond with the cotton fibres meaning they will rub off the cotton with abrasion and agitation. This results in it fading. Overdyed products are also garment dyed. These were originally a finished pair of indigo jeans, IH-888s, that have been dyed with the fugitive dyes after they were cut and sewn.
On an aesthetic level the differences are that the SB will retain their colour and have a stiffer hand and a truer black colour. The Mad Black will be much softer because of the extra processes and will have a matte black colour. They will also fade. Finally sizing will be slightly different as these are different iterations of the same cut and overdying removes all possible shrinkage from the fabric.
Thanks for the info, I'll probably just keep hoping they bring back the 888 superblack.
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Thanks for the info, I'll probably just keep hoping they bring back the 888 superblack.
Never say never, but there are no plans for that as far as I know. They are currently listed as extinct and not many IH products are phoenixed from that.
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We really want to bring back the superblack selvedge denim, and if we do, we'll phoenix the 888 in that denim. Trouble is that we have so many cool denims in the works that Alex and I keep on putting the superblack denim production run off.
So, long story short, it may well happen, but no time soon…
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Sorry for being a painus in the anus, asking the same question across 2 threads: how well do these breathe?
Just weighing up my options re: black denim in my size.
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@Tom-Longarms I would love to see more photos...I just got a pair of the XHSmb and am "mad" curious to see what evo your pair might have.
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@Oaktavia Im going to upload more for sure. don't want to wash them but I bet that would show way more than it is showing now
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@Tom-Longarms Cool man, looking forward to it. And yeah, that's how it goes!
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Very cool! I'm new to the forum so I had no idea these existed. Also looking forward to any progress pics since they've been out long enough that someone has had to beat up a pair nicely by now.
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Maybe someone can chime in here.. i know 21oz stretches a ton but how’s the stretching on this one? I’m a 34 in almost every pair of IH i’ve seen one in 34 but compared to the charts they run a little tighter.
