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    • neph93N
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      Otherwise gentlemen, talk to me about autolyse… I’ve read about it but what is the conclusion of The Iron Bakers?

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        @Chap  that is a work of art buddy. Beautiful. I’d love some avocado on that or some good ham with cream cheese. Very nice.

        Thanks buddy @neph93 yes that‘s what it is made for

        God has blessed you richly, so get down on your knees and thank him. Don’t forget the less fortunate or God will personally kick your ass. I’d love to do it for him, but I can’t be everywhere. Willie Nelson

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          Beautiful stuf, Chap!..

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            @neph93:

            Otherwise gentlemen, talk to me about autolyse… I’ve read about it but what is the conclusion of The Iron Bakers?

            I don’t no much about it… in my book there is a lot about protein and Gluten and what’s happening to strengthen the dough and the release of sugars to feed the yeasts...that it should be wheat and water only, 20 min to up an hour...

            God has blessed you richly, so get down on your knees and thank him. Don’t forget the less fortunate or God will personally kick your ass. I’d love to do it for him, but I can’t be everywhere. Willie Nelson

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              Beautiful stuf, Chap!..

              ☺️ Thanks buddy

              God has blessed you richly, so get down on your knees and thank him. Don’t forget the less fortunate or God will personally kick your ass. I’d love to do it for him, but I can’t be everywhere. Willie Nelson

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              • neph93N
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                @Chap:

                @neph93:

                Otherwise gentlemen, talk to me about autolyse… I’ve read about it but what is the conclusion of The Iron Bakers?

                I don’t no much about it… in my book there is a lot about protein and Gluten and what’s happening to strengthen the dough and the release of sugars to feed the yeasts...that it should be wheat and water only, 20 min to up an hour...

                That is my understanding too, but have you noticed a positive effect, with and without an autolyse step?

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                • GilesG
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                  I always autolyse unless I'm doing a pre-ferment.  I don't really understand the chemistry, but it takes no real time, so seems sensible to do.

                  https://www.bakerybits.co.uk/resources/autolyse-what-why-how/

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                  • neph93N
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                    The concern I have comes for an article which discussed the difficulties of mixing the salt and starter in, post-autolyse. It all seemed a bit complicated by that point so I haven’t bothered yet. I’ll give it a try today.

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                    • GilesG
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                      Hmmm, not encountered that, but I have been concentrating on pre-ferments lately whilst I wait for my new mongrel starter (it gets fed a variety of different flours - white, wholewheat, rye, spelt, chapatti, depending what is at the front of the cupboard when I open it up) to get to a stage that I am comfortable baking with it.

                      "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                      • neph93N
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                        I’m pretty sure I’m overthunking it (as usual), so I’m just going to do it today and see for myself.

                        Thanks for the feedback gents.

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                        • dinobarnesberlinD
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                          You guys are killing it with the Bread @Chap that one there…real nice!

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                            I'm not always sure of bread making terminology, but I do the autolyse, usually about 20-30 minutes. I was talking with P & G today, and Paula asked about the potato bread I made. After autolyze, I added the cooled mashed potato, and the water I used was cooled water from boiling the potato. So far its my favorite bread.

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                              Today I am making an 80% Biga, the preferment happened overnight.  For the final mix, I substituted 200gms white for 200gms light rye….

                              "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                              • neph93N
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                                @ROman:

                                I'm not always sure of bread making terminology, but I do the autolyse, usually about 20-30 minutes. I was talking with P & G today, and Paula asked about the potato bread I made. After autolyze, I added the cooled mashed potato, and the water I used was cooled water from boiling the potato. So far its my favorite bread.

                                I have a colleague who makes potato bread and brings it to work. I think he uses potato flour as well as master boiled potato. Wonderful stuff. Very satisfying.

                                «Stevie Heighway on the wing!
                                We had dreams, and songs to sing…»

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                                  This morning I repeated the same bake as I did about five days ago. One spelt sourdough with spelt starter, split into two loaves and one wheat sourdough with rye starter, split into two. Same recipe and largely the same process, with two differences. Firstly I was careful not to overproof (about 30min shorter bulk ferment). Secondly both sets of sourdough had a 30min autolyse with only the flour and water mixed.

                                  I haven’t cut into the wheat loaves yet as they are cooling, but the spelt loaf definitely has a more open, irregular structure than the last time without autolyse, and is fluffier and softer.

                                  Today:

                                  Last week:

                                  I’m going to say the autolyse was the decisive factor.

                                  The Banneton’s were a pleasure to use this time and I’m very happy with the results…


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                                  • GilesG
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                                    Very nice…...

                                    "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                                    • GilesG
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                                      The core temperature of my dough was super low…...

                                      Solution, dunk it in the sink surrounded by a shitload of hot water.....5C rise after 15 mins.....

                                      "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                                      • dinobarnesberlinD
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                                        Dude 🙂

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                                        • ChapC
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                                          Did some Sunday breakfast buns

                                          God has blessed you richly, so get down on your knees and thank him. Don’t forget the less fortunate or God will personally kick your ass. I’d love to do it for him, but I can’t be everywhere. Willie Nelson

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                                          • ChapC
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                                            Amazing breads @neph93 they look brillant … I am doing a whole-grain once or twice a week, same recipe with some slight variations... it’s getting better each time

                                            God has blessed you richly, so get down on your knees and thank him. Don’t forget the less fortunate or God will personally kick your ass. I’d love to do it for him, but I can’t be everywhere. Willie Nelson

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