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    • JDelageJ
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      Not a bad system. In France, online grocery ordering was in its infancy and they just can't keep up. The site I was using (we don't have a car) is booked till 04/20! Of course it must be nearly impossible for them to add capacity right now.

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      • Stuart.TS
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        My wife is the commissioner for adult social care in the Local Authority for which she works. She is currently partnering with a number of hotel chains to convert them to older people's residential care homes as there simply aren't enough beds available due to Covid 19. It is a mammoth task to ensure that residents and carers are safe and have all the resources they require.

        She was advised today that the staff at a dementia care home have moved into the care home so that they don't have to travel to and from work and risk infecting the public with covid 19.3 residents have symptoms. The NHS have a policy of not testing in the community.

        The NHS and other key workers have rightly been applauded by the public and the press. I'd like to acknowledge the sea of carers that are placing themselves at risk everyday to care for our most vulnerable people. Some have died carrying out their duties. The truly are going beyond the call of duty, living with the ones they care for, so selflessly. It made me cry, I'm not ashamed to say. Much love.

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        • JDelageJ
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          There's been several cases in France of retirement homes where the staff decided to move in and confine themselves with their guests. It's admirable.

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          • GilesG
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            Very distressing  😞 😞 😞

            https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52199185

            "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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            • GraemeG
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              Australia closed the border to people who aren't citizens or permanent residents early on, and subsequently banned people from travelling overseas without a very good reason.

              Over the weekend, the chief medical officer and minister for tourism said that international travel will be the last thing to resume as the lockdown is lifted. The advice is don't plan on it happening this year, and it might well continue until a vaccine is developed, which is at least a year away.

              We'd considered heading to the UK at Christmas last year. Shame that didn't happen, as we're not going to be able to visit family for a long time.

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              • ChapC
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                Austria was one of the first countries in Europe with a complete lockdown…
                6288 Covid-19 positive atm, decreasing day by day,  368 people died...
                tomorrow the lockdown will be slightly loosened, face-masks are required in the public

                God has blessed you richly, so get down on your knees and thank him. Don’t forget the less fortunate or God will personally kick your ass. I’d love to do it for him, but I can’t be everywhere. Willie Nelson

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                • Stuart.TS
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                  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52275823

                  Its a fucking controversy. I have highlighted the risk in care homes since day one. The DH&SC knew this would happen and described it as a necessary risk in teleconferences.

                  Knowingly letting covid 19 spread and kill residents in care homes is a fucking genocide. Disgusting.

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                  • neph93N
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                    It’s the same all over the world with homes for the elderly, sadly. Unless the countries response  was very quick, they become death traps quickly. Even here where we have been mercifully spared a wildfire epidemic (for a number of reasons), homes for the elderly have been hit.

                    My county and town currently has a very low level of infection and administrative workers for the council are being used as pickets or limited power security outside this kind of institution.

                    «Stevie Heighway on the wing!
                    We had dreams, and songs to sing…»

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                    • Stuart.TS
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                      @neph93 absolutely, risk was heightened in care homes. Initially most deaths occurred in care home for adults with learning disabilities as it is common for people to have comorbitities. Nationally local authorities were notifying the DH&SC about the risk in care homes. There are 89 homes in the 11x3 Borough that I work in, most for older people.

                      My day job is working with the Mental Capacity Act and Deprivation of Liberty Safeguards (assessing an adults mental capacity to make specific decisions, and where domestic legislation permits, authorisation of deprivation of liberty, or taking cases to court when required). At present it also involves national level discussions regarding what we can do to prevent people coming into contact with infected residents. The Public Health Act can only be used to contain certain diseases, and covid 19 isn't one. Other legislation has limitations to powers. It's a concern, balancing hard won human rights and safeguards.

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                      • JDelageJ
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                        I wonder what are best-of-class (but realistic) precautions for senior facilities. In France, it seems that the confinement has helped but at a high cost. In the retirement home where my grand-father was, the guests were confined in their bedroom with only a few visits a day from the care staff. It's unbelievably depressing. My grand-father found that it wasn't worth it and passed away last week (not of COVID-19; he was 96…)

                        Places that seem to be doing the best of this shitty situations are the facilities where the care staff chose, en masse, to segregate themselves with the people they were caring for, choosing not to go home to their families. Talk about commitment. Not all heroes wear capes, indeed...

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                        • Stuart.TS
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                          @JDelage I am so very sorry to hear about your grandfather, but thank you for sharing such personal information. I hope you and your family are coping.

                          I've been on leave since Friday, but I have no doubt my work email will be full of emergency responses that are required from care homes. We discussed the practicalities of locking mobile, agile, adults with dementia, in their rooms. There are both legal and practical connotations to that approach. Ultimately the relevant Court can determine in this matter in England and Wales, and we are taking as pragmatic response in the interim as is possible.

                          I truly hope that the care giver workforce are recognised for their tireless work, as well as all the other health and emergency staff all over the world.

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                          • Stuart.TS
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                            For those of us in the UK, who pretty much depend on what the press tells us/needs us to know. The facts are out there if you look (and Government don't generally expect the public to look - I've been in the room when a former health Secretary actually said as much!).

                            The following report was published today and contained the following restrictions timeframe

                            'Public health measures result in a large share of economic activity ceasing for three months, with the restrictions on people’s movement and activity assumed to be lifted progressively over the subsequent three months'

                            @Giles this may be of interest to you, as a business owner… It helps inform Government policy...and could be helpful to UK based businesses...

                            https://obr.uk/coronavirus-reference-scenario/

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                            • GilesG
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                              Thank you, will have a read later today…

                              "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                              • Stuart.TS
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                                if you'd all like to know what else of significance is happening in the world, this is a good starting point. Please don't dismiss it, it has been a measure of global crisis since 1947. The new alerts tab has current updates from around the world. Not everything has stopped because of Covid 19!

                                https://www.defconlevel.com/doomsday-clock.php

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                                • neph93N
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                                  So the Iron Maiden song is no longer relevant?! Shame, as 100 seconds to midnight, doesn’t have the same ring to it…

                                  «Stevie Heighway on the wing!
                                  We had dreams, and songs to sing…»

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                                  • Stuart.TS
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                                    @neph93 given that Powerslave was released in 1984, so the song was probably written in 1983…does that mean that the clock has only counted down by 20 seconds?  😃

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                                    • neph93N
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                                      I think in the mid 90’s it was about half an hour to midnight for a while. These things are fluid, not linear.

                                      «Stevie Heighway on the wing!
                                      We had dreams, and songs to sing…»

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                                      • Stuart.TS
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                                        What is strange is that when it was activated in 1947 the starting point was 7 minutes to midnite (or 11.53 as most people in Europe would refer to it). I'd be interest to know why? I wonder if anyone changed it to account for daylight saving here in the UK… Fall back, spring forward... It could play havoc with some tyrant's plans for global destruction.

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                                        • MattM
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                                          Masks are mandatory now.  It’s on…

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                                          • gaseousclayG
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                                            Still waiting for my mask to show up. I think the mask requirement is kinda silly if you’re going to the park or are outside. At the grocery store or any place with lots of people? Absolutely.

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