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    • gaseousclayG
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      Went to two different grocery stores today and the first was picked through pretty heavily, especially frozen veggies and TP. The second, which was Aldi, was decently stocked because they had a limit on the number of certain goods you could buy to prevent hoarding. Seems sensible to me. One guy tried buying a ton of canned goods and the cashier told him he could only get 4 [emoji23] Bog roll was 1 per customer. I really like the way Aldi runs their company [emoji106]

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      • JDelageJ
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        I'm shocked that grocery delivery services would stop. They are the best options for now, by far.

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        • JDelageJ
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          @louisbosco:

          i personally feel that there's nothing to be worried about.

          I'm curious whether you have read at least the 5mn read article I posted? I certainly hope I'm wrong and you're right, but the consequences of being wrong one way (being too prudent) vs the other way are very much not symmetrical.

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            I worry about the folks in Italy.  Not a good situation if you are old and you have some underlying medical conditions.  Taiwan and Singapore are doing better. I think they prepared themselves way earlier than a lot of other nations.  Maybe they are more strict with entry and exit points and perhaps more vigilant after SARs, H1N1.  Call me a pessimist  :(, I also worry about the future.  It will be coming in waves, stronger and stronger each time.

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            • gaseousclayG
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              @JDelage:

              @louisbosco:

              i personally feel that there's nothing to be worried about.

              I'm curious whether you have read at least the 5mn read article I posted? I certainly hope I'm wrong and you're right, but the consequences of being wrong one way (being too prudent) vs the other way are very much not symmetrical.

              I don’t think anyone is taking this situation lightly. I’m well aware of how dangerous Covid-19 poses to the population but my outlook is slightly less bleak given our past experiences with pandemics. There will be more deaths and more supply chain disruptions but panicking isn’t going to help me or anyone else for that matter. I’ll simply take the same precautions I usually do as recommended by the CDC.

              The article below puts things into perspective, at least for me.

              https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/swine-flu-8-facts-about-the-world-s-last-pandemic-in-2009.html

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              • neph93N
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                @louisbosco speaks the truth regarding lessons learnt. There is reason to believe the experiences of SARS have left Taiwan, Singapore and other countries well prepared. Swift, decisive action worked. I’m more worried for the UK, USA and Japan who seem to be uncoordinated in their approach and relying on public discipline. That may work in Japan to degree, but won’t in other countries.

                One scenario for Norway, developed by the authorities, looked at what would happen with zero restrictive measures. It suggested that 80% of the population would be infected withn half a year. Factoring in vectors of infection and  total number of intensive care places they estimated a 4-6% mortality rate. That would mean around 200.000 deaths in a country of 5.2m over a six month period.

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                  @JDelage:

                  I'm shocked that grocery delivery services would stop. They are the best options for now, by far.

                  From my understanding of trying to use them is that they are overwhelmed both in requests for deliveries and their supplies in terms of item stock. I'm confident they'll sort it out and I hope to use it, but right now with this initial shock, it's not working in my area. Literally since Wed my neck of the woods went from reading about it to dealing with it.

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                  • louisboscoL
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                    @JDelage:

                    I'm curious whether you have read at least the 5mn read article I posted? I certainly hope I'm wrong and you're right, but the consequences of being wrong one way (being too prudent) vs the other way are very much not symmetrical.

                    i did not but i just did. some things listed in the article makes sense but some of it are over the top too. unfortunately, there are many varying factors as to why deaths occur, with pre-existing conditons and age as a huge factor. these numbers without those factors included are not info and released to the public could and already has trigger widespread panic and fear.

                    everyone bangs on about the number infection and the death toll so much that nobody seems to mention that amount of people that have actually been cured or are in a stable condition. i won't be surprised if some people believe that once they get it, they'll be dead.

                    also, it's good to remember the panic and fear doesn't make you immune. stocking up and panic buying isn't going to make you safe even if you stayed home. the paranoia will probably kill you before the virus does.

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                    • SeulS
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                      Sometimes i wonder if this is some kind of distraction.

                      It seems to distract you from being a rational animal, alright…

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                      • BD81B
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                        Yeah that wasn't a very rational comment was it.

                        R.I.P. Filthy🤘

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                        • gaseousclayG
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                          https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/health/coronavirus-facts-vs-panic#article

                          Take this with a grain of salt but it only reinforces what we already know, that most of those that have died were the elderly with underlying health issues. I think @louisbosco is correct by saying that people are acting as though they’re going to drop dead if they catch the virus, which is not the case.

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                          • SeulS
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                            Yeah that wasn't a very rational comment was it.

                            Maybe you take pride in sounding like an idiot, I can't tell… But hey: you be you!..

                            A mod asked me to add a smiley since my post was "too harsh", so here it is!..

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                            • neph93N
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                              You are a smiling happy pile of poo @Seul so I can’t fault you for the honesty there. I still love you though.

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                              • neph93N
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                                Anyone acting like they’re going to drop dead from it the moment they get it is a moron. The death rate and at risk groups have been clear for some time now.

                                But this is exactly the problem with a lot of the narrative around the disease. It is either «we’re all going to die», or «this is nothing». Both are far from the truth and seriously reductive.

                                In Iran, the site of the second major cluster, with an inept dictatorship, and a poor infrastructure, they are currently digging mass graves, and nobody knows the actual death toll. If they’re digging mass graves though, it’s bad.

                                Italy were unprepared and responded too slowly, and the death rate there is way higher than it needs to be as a result of overcrowded hospitals and an aging population. To keep the death rate at or around that of seasonal flu you need respirators. Otherwise people of all ages with or without underlying symptoms can die of pneumonia, especially when it can’t be treated with antibiotics. If countries don’t cut off infection vectors and flatten the curve of the epidemic, that will happen to them too.

                                The media and folks on the street really do need to stop overreacting and being hysterical. But they also need to stop writing this off as «just like the flu» and not a big deal. Both of those are emotional reactions that ignore the facts of the matter.

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                                • neph93N
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                                  @gaseousclay I’d consider this interview with a US expert on the matter as credible. Here he discusses the American response. Note what he says about comparisons to the flu:

                                  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/12/fear-is-not-productive-what-the-us-is-getting-right-and-wrong-on-coronavirus?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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                                  • JDelageJ
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                                    @gaseousclay:

                                    … most of those that have died were the elderly with underlying health issues

                                    This will remain true as long as hospitals have capacity to spare. Once we hit top ICU / respirator occupancy (and that will come faster than we think), all bets are off.

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                                    • neph93N
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                                      @JDelage:

                                      @gaseousclay:

                                      … most of those that have died were the elderly with underlying health issues

                                      This will remain true as long as hospitals have capacity to spare. Once we hit top ICU / respirator occupancy (and that will come faster than we think), all bets are off.

                                      Precisely that. Which is why Italy, a developed country with an excellent state run health service, a good standard of living and public health is where it is.

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                                      • gaseousclayG
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                                        @neph93:

                                        @gaseousclay I’d consider this interview with a US expert on the matter as credible. Here he discusses the American response. Note what he says about comparisons to the flu:

                                        https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/12/fear-is-not-productive-what-the-us-is-getting-right-and-wrong-on-coronavirus?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

                                        I agree that the US response has been very poor. I’m still not clear how many testing kits there are available, if any.

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                                        • gaseousclayG
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                                          @neph93:

                                          But this is exactly the problem with a lot of the narrative around the disease. It is either «we’re all going to die», or «this is nothing». Both are far from the truth and seriously reductive

                                          The media and folks on the street really do need to stop overreacting and being hysterical. But they also need to stop writing this off as «just like the flu» and not a big deal. Both of those are emotional reactions that ignore the facts of the matter.

                                          Exactly this.

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                                          • GilesG
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                                            [I'm worried about Japan (no school closure so far and Olympics are still scheduled for this Summer).
                                            [/quote]
                                            I'm in Japan and actually had dinner with a teacher last night.  All elementary and above state schools closed weeks ago.  For fee-paying schools, closure is currently optional.

                                            So wherever you got your information from, it's wrong.  Which highlights the problem of there being loads of bullshit and disinformation flying around…

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