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    Iron Heart Fall/Winter 2025 Live Reveal - Thursday 12th of June at 1700BST

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    • ChrisC
      Chris
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      It's 2:30 in the morning, my wife has been asleep for hours and I'm exhausted.  My 3 year old son, however, is wide awake and refuses to stay in bed.  I may have to shoot him.

      That's my IH coaster he's playing with, by the way.  I'm fully expecting him to toss it out our 14th floor window, because he's just that evil.

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      • madmondayM
        madmonday
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        i luv it chris

        **nothing like knowing your children, hahahahahahaha

        head high, middle finger higher

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        • BeatleB
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          lol, hang in there…

          We can do anything

          http://bybeatle.com

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          • GilesG
            Giles
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            We have a had a total of USD3,000 of chargebacks from Malaysia and Indonesia in the last month.  I'm seriously considering only shipping to people there who we "know".  A chargeback is basically fraudulent use of a credit card or PayPal.  In every case, we have followed the advice we have been given, but we have still been stiffed.

            I am in a VERY bad mood…................

            "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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            • injunjackI
              injunjack
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              now thats seriously bad shit  😠

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              • GeoG
                Geo
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                +1 . . . sad to say if tough measures are needed then tough measure should be taken

                Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity

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                • GilesG
                  Giles
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                  And seriously, I would cut off my right bollock to find an alternative to those faceless feckers at PayPal.  On USD2,400 of these frauds, they told me that they believed it was OK to ship.  Guess what, when I tell them to go back and listen the the taped telephone calls, F all happens…................

                  "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                  • rocketR
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                    totally can understand you, I had those problems in the past as well. Until to a point when I told them in a very direct way, that they either find a solution to protect my business in proper way, or that I will A. no longer accepted any payments through them and B. take massive legal actions against them (favored-crime activity, etc) … surprisingly after those launched threads  ;), all further fraud attempts were voted in my favor. And since around 2 years they are no more than like 1-2 attempts throughout a year and I get some k's in...

                    and if I have a bad feeling by a order I just cancell it or tell the customer that due security reasons I will only accept a Western Union payment from him...

                    rocketrocksrox 🤙🏼🤙🏾

                    It's all humbug, like everywhere
                    R.I.P. Geo

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                    • GilesG
                      Giles
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                      can you remember which department you spoke to?

                      "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                      • J
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                        Holy shit. That sucks.
                        Paypal has a headquarters a few miles from my house…
                        Want me to go leave a bag of flaming shit on their doorstep?

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                        • GilesG
                          Giles
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                          It'd make me feel a whole ot better, but not sure it would be a long term solution…..........

                          "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                          • J
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                            So in this situation is the address you ship the stuff to "verified"? Or maybe that only applies to the US?

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                            • gollottiG
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                              Giles - shouldn't you be protected since you mail packages for signature approval/tracking?

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                              • GilesG
                                Giles
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                                That helps (apparently), but has made no difference.  In each of the 3 cases, I have a signature.

                                Two of the scams were to addresses in The US.  The items I shipped have subsequently turned up on Indonesian forums at well below retail.

                                The latest one was shipped to Malaysia.  The message I got from Paypal with the original order was to get verification of address.  I did, and guess what the effing reversal happened anyway (and yes it was signed for)…...

                                "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                                  DrPat
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                                  Good luck in sorting this out!

                                  Aren't credit cards linked to a billing address?  Is there any way to check that before shipping?  If so, maybe it's better to deal only with them and not PayPal.

                                  If a niche product like IH is subject to scams, I'd hate do see what dealers of mainstream luxury goods have to deal with.

                                  If an IH cordovan wallet appears at a cheap price on some other forum, please let me know.  Could be the one stolen from me a few weeks ago.

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                                  • rocketR
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                                    @Giles:

                                    can you remember which department you spoke to?

                                    this was 2007, I have checked if I still have any email conversation, but could not find them. I know that after I got mad about their behaviour, I was called by a guy the other day, from some kind of internal regulation department, would guess he was a lawyer. And after some talking, they agreed to re-investigate some cases and after some days, got called again that they found a solution for my concerns.  And basically after this point there were no major problems again. From time to time there was / is a fraud attempt, but after I had submit the shipping proof, cases got pretty fast closed to my favor.

                                    Check if your account have some kind of seller protection and if this is the case, tell them directly that you have sent only to the confirmed address's and with insured UPS, UPS shoud also be able to submit you a proof of recieve at the confirmed address. So that it is 100% clear that you followed all signed rules. And don't accept a no… hope this helps in any way, good luck

                                    rocketrocksrox 🤙🏼🤙🏾

                                    It's all humbug, like everywhere
                                    R.I.P. Geo

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                                    • BeatleB
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                                      We can do anything

                                      http://bybeatle.com

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                                      • jimmyJ
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                                        @Giles:

                                        We have a had a total of USD3,000 of chargebacks from Malaysia and Indonesia in the last month.  I'm seriously considering only shipping to people there who we "know".  A chargeback is basically fraudulent use of a credit card or PayPal.  In every case, we have followed the advice we have been given, but we have still been stiffed.

                                        I am in a VERY bad mood…................

                                        WTF! I don't really understand it. Don't you actually get the payment before shipping? Anyway that sucks very hard. I am in the middle of setting up on line store so really need to look in to this

                                        Sent from LOFT iPhone using Tapatalk

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                                        • GilesG
                                          Giles
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                                          A chargeback is when the "card owner" says that either they did not receive the goods or that the card was used fraudulently.  They have up to six months after purchase date to file a charegeback

                                          "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                                          • rocketR
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                                            jimmy, you get payments before you ship, but if you accept cc payments or paypal, there is always a risk of a later chargeback, unfortunly not everyone around there is your friend…

                                            rocketrocksrox 🤙🏼🤙🏾

                                            It's all humbug, like everywhere
                                            R.I.P. Geo

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