Coronavirus (Covid-19) Discussion
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As a front line #&@?% #&£%!? working with adults in the UK, I opted not to consent to the vaccine. I contributed to #@&%+?!@&£#?!@ vaccine policy too. It has not been made mandatory. Giving an invasive treatment without a person's capacitated consent is assault in English and Welsh law.
I have opted not to consent for 2 reasons:
1.i have been a lifelong animal rights activist. Vaccines remain tested on mice and monkeys in the UK, including Oxford Zeneca. That is a deeply personal choice.
2. I have read all research papers, and have considered them thoroughly. I take very little notice of the media and prefer to seek the origin of the information. I have read the documents attached here:
https://www.research.ox.ac.uk/Article/2020-07-19-oxford-covid-19-vaccine-trials
The UK Government has been very clear in stating that no vaccines prevent you from contracting covid 19.it's intention is to reduce serious illness, death, and hospital admissions.
I do get access to priveleged information, but cannot and won't disclose that. It always amuses me when a Minister 'leaks' information a few days before Government make an announcement, where lots of Public Sector workers have had the information, in some cases for weeks.
I would NEVER advocate for or against the vaccines available. I DO advocate for informed decision making based on your personal circumstances. PLEASE make your decision confidently, for the right reason.
We will eventually live with Covid 19 in the same manner as we do Influenza. The Influenza vaccine has relativity low efficacy every year, and in the UK between November and March ('flu season') there are on average 20,000 excess deaths attributed to Influenza or pneumonia, a consequence of Influenza.
Keep safe all, and much love
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Thanks so much for the heads up. I wonder why?
I believe it affects the quality of the seal on the KN95.
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Man 2 masks just seems crazy. What a world we are in at the moment
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@sabergirl Thank you. We are a bunch of tough cookies around here.
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@dinobarnesberlin I do not know if it runs in the family. But we are getting better.
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@Giles and @Madame Buttonfly It is fantastic news. All 3 of us will get over this. Thanks for thinking about us on the other side of the pond.
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Thank you @Streetwise Hercules the tribe is getting better.
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Great news! You guys are tough as nails.
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@twin I am so happy and relieved to hear that you, Bobby and your Pop are all going to be fine, it is great news. Sending love across the miles to you all
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Fellow UK folks… Fucking yesssssssss!!!!!!!
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Short of there being a devastating new variant, I think that Government is going to rely heavily on the private sector policing the public. Government have 'planned' for a covid passport, but have no 'plans' to implement one. They will defer to private businesses to refuse entry to their establishments if you can't evidence you've been inoculated.
I'm hopeful that it will be a legal minefield and that a good human rights lawyer will challenge it. It makes my heart sink at how quickly people have thrown their basic rights away. It is Orwellian. Being forced to a) buy a smart phone, b) have a vaccine, c) agree that your personal details can be stored centrally by Government (this has been agreed) frightens the hell out of me. As someone who's daily bread and butter is working with the HRA and ECtHR, it appauls me. My grandad would have been appauled. I remember him telling me, when he was in his late 90s, that all but 1 of his pals died during the Dday landings, and they did it so we could be free.
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Whereas, I don't give a crap about giving any of my basic rights.
And personally, I think that the link between our forebears fighting in the 1st and 2nd world wars and trying to sort out Covid is extremely tenuous.
My grandfather also fought in the 2nd world war, and I don't suppose he thought his basic human rights were being taken away from him when he was asked to go and put his life on the line for the country.
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@Madame Buttonfly Sending LOTS of love over your way. We think we will be over this soon.
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Whereas, I don't give a crap about giving any of my basic rights.
And personally, I think that the link between our forebears fighting in the 1st and 2nd world wars and trying to sort out Covid is extremely tenuous.
My grandfather also fought in the 2nd world war, and I don't suppose he thought his basic human rights were being taken away from him when he was asked to go and put his life on the line for the country.
I think that the decision to have a Covid thread was never going to make for lighthearted banter.
What basic rights would you be happy to have revoked? That's your perogative as an individual, but we are talking about everyone in society.
In 2016 people were asked to make a serious decision when they weren't given the information necessary. Many of those now say 'well if I'd have known that then I wouldn't have…'. This will be the same. Government are planning to treat annual covid planning the same as they do influenza. Vaccinate the high risk groups to reduce deaths and reduce demand on the NHS. Why then revoke some of our basic human rights in law? It won't be relevant in a couple of years.
This is why the generalised public debate about covid restrictions and human rights frustrates me. People don't understand the relationship between WW2, the ECtHR, the HRA, the Public Health Act, and The Coronavirus Act.
They are intrinsically linked. I don't just spout my bullshit, irrelivent views about this. I am informed, and involved at a regional level. I attended an East of England meeting today on just this subject, feedback of which will inform national decision making. The equation isn't as simple as vaccine + covid = no more deaths.
I implore people to read beyond the headlines, go to the source material. Decision making on this type of issue has to be objective otherwise poor decisions are made.
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My grandfather also fought in the 2nd world war, and I don't suppose he thought his basic human rights were being taken away from him when he was asked to go and put his life on the line for the country.
That was exactly what our grandparents were to that Hitler wanted to do. Take away our freedom. They weren't asked either, they were told... Another imminent similarity.
