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    JDelage
    啓蒙家
    Joined: 13 Jan 2012

    @Stuart.T:

    I think it is why the UK and USA have struggled with covid.

    The UK and US COVID situations are much closer to those of France, Italy, Spain, Belgium, and now Germany, than those are to Singapore, SK, and NZ. All Western countries are struggling with the response. All governments have f'ed up at various points. Some have f'ed up marginally more than others. Most of those which have not f'ed up obviously still are struggling (e.g., Germany). As far as I can see, nobody in the Western democracies has found the right mix of measures.

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      Stuart.T
      Raw and Unwashed
      Joined: 21 Sept 2017

      @Kasi:

      Where ever I go my mask and sanitizer comes with me.
      Still the Government doing their best to help with the guidelines.
      Some kind of law and order.

      But what gets me is idiots out there says the following.
      There is no covid… negative vibes in the head.
      In September just gone, there is no covid why you wearing a mask..
      Asian cash and carry have no rules, don’t shop there.
      I have make many sacrifices this year, with my family.

      Whether the government get it right or wrong...
      it’s down to yourself to keep safe and that it’s
      Too many people have died from the disease.. even I had it believed me it horrible..  😢

      @kasi thank you brother, yours is a voice of reason. Keep safe.

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      • ?
        A Former User
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        Just be happy y’all don’t live in Tejas. It’s a concrete jungle out here…

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          Giles
          IHUK Crew
          Joined: 22 Sept 2009

          @JDelage:

          'As far as I can see, nobody in the Western democracies has found the right mix of measures.

          So, because I am certainly not the sharpest tool on the box, I work on the basis that I know a lot less about this shit than others who are privy to data that I cant see, nor probably comprehend. And given that this situation is an unknown, movable feast that we can't control, nor readily understand at the moment, I'll do what I'm told.  That is not a position I am particularly comfortable with, but I'm not going to waste my time berating other people who don't know fuck all either.

          I am by nature a very sociable animal, I love meeting people and travelling, and I find this whole current situation very depressing.  But what I do know is, if I cut my human interactions down now (which I hate), at some point, I may get back to doing what I love.

          "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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            spitfiredealer
            Raw and Unwashed
            Joined: 8 Apr 2013

            @Stuart.T:

            [Human rights are sacrosanct to me and I spend my working life ensuring that our rights are maintained regardless of disability. If we don't, we risk going back to Victorian style institutions, and believe me, that still happens.

            I have to write statements for the Courts evidencing when and why I think it is justified in law, to deprive a person of their liberty.

            Now with that said, I think that the UK Government has been very liberal with the restrictions it has passed into law as a reaction to Covid. The UK public aren't generally as responsible as some of our Continental neighbours. We don't really adhere to the social contract that would make for a more responsible society that say, generalising, Scandinavian and some SE Asian countries do.

            Have to disagree with you there. I don't think making people die on their own in hospital is very liberal. My friend wasn't allowed to see her mum in hospital over xmas and the poor women was on her own in her final moments.

            People need to be careful, give people space etc. But we need some common sense.](https://www.ironheart.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4192)

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              Giles
              IHUK Crew
              Joined: 22 Sept 2009

              Paula lost her mum and bother recently.  She could not see them.  It was shit, and she is troubled by that, but going to see them would have placed her at risk, and therefore others.

              "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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              • ?
                A Former User
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                That’s the rub. We live all these years with the goal of exiting this life peacefully and graciously, and then this, where even daily functions are disrupted. The only recompense is the fact that we don’t really know. Maybe it was much ado about nothing and the spirit of the universe is so omnipresent that nothing that happens in this organic life can diminish at all the magnificence of existence. That’s my hope, that not even the worst thing conceivable can stain the glory of what is. Cause otherwise, we’re fecked. On a scale of 100, we as a whole are at risk of failing the entrance exam to the everlasting. Whatever that may be…

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                  JDelage
                  啓蒙家
                  Joined: 13 Jan 2012

                  I personally have adopted a behavior that goes beyond the local rules. I have no problem with people choosing to go overboard too. Based on what we know currently, it is quite clear that meeting someone outdoors is no problem with reasonable rules (6ft apart). Going to say goodbye in person to someone dying of COVID inside an hospital is a completely different ball game and is quite risky.

                  My issues are with:

                  (1) Government enacting & enforcing stupid, ineffective laws (perfect example of this: beach closing).
                  (2) Individuals putting blame on others for adopting a different but still reasonable behavior.

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                    Kasi
                    見習いボス
                    Joined: 9 Oct 2014

                    Four weeks ago.

                    My wife nans passed away… few days later her brother die.. who was fit. Bury her sister... before his time was up.

                    Just had a phone call from my in laws today a 38 years die of covid.

                    Every other day someone is dying...

                    That all I hear every other day...

                    Even when you go to the hospital they says come alone for the appointment if you can, unless a kid or a carer needs help.

                    Pregnant women only allowed person at birth.

                    For covid
                    Just like Giles said it hash they don’t let you see anybody..
                    my dear Paula stay strong..

                    Just a shit time really.

                    The world's insane
                    While you drink champagne
                    And I'm livin' in black rain 4Q 🖕

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                    • ?
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                      Twenty people inside a craft brewery: INCONCEIVABLE
                      Two hundred people inside a Walmart: PRICELESS

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                        JDelage
                        啓蒙家
                        Joined: 13 Jan 2012

                        @adam313:

                        We live all these years with the goal of exiting this life peacefully and graciously…

                        Even before COVID, achieving this was quite rare.

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                          Giles
                          IHUK Crew
                          Joined: 22 Sept 2009

                          @JDelage:

                          (perfect example of this: beach closing).

                          Probably because they know that as many body fluids as possible will be exchanged on the said beach…Isn't that what beach parties are for?

                          "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                            Nik
                            Raw and Unwashed
                            Joined: 12 Nov 2020

                            Seems like following guidelines to reduce transmission and death is cooler than other options.

                            Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

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                              JDelage
                              啓蒙家
                              Joined: 13 Jan 2012

                              Beaches are one thing, beach parties another altogether. Closing the beaches - places where people can easily maintain distance, that are well ventilated and constantly bombarded by UVs - was a bad idea. (Probably not an issue in the UK in December, I realize…  :D)

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                                Kasi
                                見習いボス
                                Joined: 9 Oct 2014

                                @JDelage:

                                Going to say goodbye in person to someone dying of COVID inside an hospital is a completely different ball game.

                                You’re brave writing that….

                                Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

                                The world's insane
                                While you drink champagne
                                And I'm livin' in black rain 4Q 🖕

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                                  spitfiredealer
                                  Raw and Unwashed
                                  Joined: 8 Apr 2013

                                  @Giles:

                                  Paula lost her mum and bother recently.  She could not see them.  It was shit, and she is troubled by that, but going to see them would have placed her at risk, and therefore others.

                                  Dam that is awful. Please send her our love.

                                  It’s been a awful year for so many.

                                  Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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                                    Stuart.T
                                    Raw and Unwashed
                                    Joined: 21 Sept 2017

                                    I think at least one thing we can all surely agree on, regardless of where on the planet we live is that covid is effecting us all in deeply personal ways now, beyond the headlines we read. That makes it very emotive, and I'd suggest caution in how we discuss the issues we've experienced. I'm not talking censorship, I'm talking responsibility and consideration.

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                                      DrPat
                                      Iron Heart Deity
                                      Joined: 9 Oct 2009

                                      Everything is shut in Germany except supermarkets and churches.  I’ve been watching the Corona parties taking place all week across the street from my apartment.

                                      last edited by 29 Dec 2020, 20:39 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                                        A Former User
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                                        @Stuart.T:

                                        You can imagine how challenging the covid restrictions are for care homes and their residents who are diagnosed with dementias.

                                        Human rights are sacrosanct to me and I spend my working life ensuring that our rights are maintained regardless of disability.

                                        I respect this righteous challenge. What a difficult task that must be in each individual case. Seeing what it’s done to my mother has been humbling. Helping those you don’t know personally must be even more daunting. Respect.

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                                          setandsetting
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                                          Joined: 5 Jan 2016

                                          @Giles:

                                          That path leads to anarchy and possibly why the UK is a Covid shit-storm.

                                          Uh, is that leading to uh anarchy… in the UK??? (Sorry)

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