IH-8301S - SBG "Super Black Fade-To-Gray" Denim - Slim Cut
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I ended up realizing what the difference was with these 8301S, they're unwashed sanforized SBG, whereas most of the other SBGs are washed sanforized. I had thought that sanforized meant all shrink is gone, but that's not quite the case as the wash does make a difference also. So can apparently expect around an inch of inseam shrink after washing (though it's still odd that SelfEdges site says to only expect .5in inseam shrink, when other 8301S owners were saying 1 to 1.5 inches of shrink)
So I guess the main points are
- when measuring the inseam length to hem try to accommodate standing, kneeling, sitting. Make sure it's not too short when you're sitting or crouching as the legs will ride up
- consider that you may lose a tiny bit of length to honeycombs / stacking of the fabric
- sanforized & unwashed is different to sanforized & washed - check the fabric guidance in product details
- if in doubt, keep a bit extra because you can always go shorter later, but you can't add back the length
For unsanforized unwashed denim (which seems not too common for IronHeart) probably more care is needed, and perhaps taking an initial wash is a good thing to get a more accurate reflection of the post shrink length. Though with sanforized washed denim, it's not going to shrink much, so should be OK to hem without wearing / washing.
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Just got my first pair. I used to be a 633 guy. . . No longer. Pic with my super black iron heart vest included
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Awesome combo of black denim @bubbapest where do you find your patches? I really dig those…
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Oh man, it was this place called death, hell and the grave. Shoulder patches and the back patch. The fingers was this brand a tattoo artist i knew, i doubt its open still. And the other one was from sketchy tank i think
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Wow that's a hell of a name!
https://shrimp-sauce.com/collections/patches now youve got me looking !!!
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Wow that's a hell of a name!
https://shrimp-sauce.com/collections/patches now youve got me looking !!!
Awesome thanks for the link. I was looking last night but didn't find much…
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Anytime
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Anyone know if the 8301 is closer to the 777 or the 555? Was thinking 777 but just wanted to double check with experience
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Anyone know if the 8301 is closer to the 777 or the 555? Was thinking 777 but just wanted to double check with experience
Closer to 777.
The 555 tapers strongly in the thigh then drops fairly straight knee to hem. The 301 and 777 have (slightly different) amounts of taper through the whole leg.
The other major similarity between 777 and 301 is the lower rise. If memory serves, the 301 has a slightly roomier top block than the 777 though.
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Awesome, thanks. Ill have to try the 777 for my next indigo pair
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Dumb question, but is this the exact same fabric as the non-Self Edge collaboration cuts? The 888, 555, 634, etc don’t mention the waist and inseam shrinkage like the description for this pair does on Self Edge’s website.
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Back when the 555-03 was first a thing, the sbg denim it was made of had a description like that and sort of shrank-to-fit. I have a vague recollection that at some point the denim and/or it’s treatment changed so that was no longer the case. I expect that self edge is using their original description, but the denim and it’s processing may have undergone the same change. Another possibility is that these 8301 are still from the earlier batches of this denim.
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I asked Kiya about the product descriptions and got a pretty quick response:
“The 633s-SBG is very very lightly rinsed, we still consider it "raw".
Where as the 8301 isn't rinsed at all, so there is more shrinkage there, especially for a sanforized denim.
I wouldn't expect the 633s-SBG to shrink that much, and they run a bit small so most of our clients have been sizing up.“Sounds like the 8301 is pretty much an unwashed sanforized fabric.
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This sounds like the first run the Berkeley Supply Snake Oil Provisions had. I got a lot of shrink out of that pair I had and wasn't expecting as much so now I'm on the hunt for a new pair of SBG.
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@plumdog I'm a year behind you - I just received my 8301 SBGs and was going to wear them for a while unhemmed as well until after the first soak; however, the length is way too big for me.
How much shrinkage did you see across the waist, thigh, knee, hem, and length? I'll probably get these hemmed as well, so guessing I should add 1.5 - 2" to the length above my preference? The hem is also a bit wider than I usually like, but I can't tell if Self Edge/IH accounted for shrinkage in the width of the legs as well. Thanks!
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@goosehd Thank you amigo!
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@goosehd and for anyone interested in same question. Kiya at Self Edge sent me this about shrinkage across thigh, knee, hem:
They'll shrink about .25" to .4" in the areas not stated on our site after a warm wash.
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Hey guys. I’m considering getting a pair of these jeans. Just concerned about the sizing, I’m considering either a 34 or 36 as I’m smack in between two sizes- I know SE measures a bit differently than IH. And from what I’ve seen in this thread, a size 34 comes measured out closer to ~35 in the waist prior to shrinkage, which is what I want.
However is it possible to go with a size 36 to be on the safer end and then just really hit it hard with the hot wash to get them down to size 34 ish ballpark measurements? I’d then be worried about them stretching back out….
Any experience or advice would be very helpful
