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    sabergirl
    見習いボス
    Joined: 4 Oct 2013

    I don’t think the energy expended on the kardashians can be equated to the carbon footprint of Bitcoin [emoji23]. Not the same type of wanking.

    Joking aside, I’m going to look into the links you posted. Interesting stuff for sure, and you make good points.

    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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      mclaincausey
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      Joined: 12 Apr 2013

      What differentiates fiat currency from crypto isn't IMO that we work for it, because you could in theory be compensated in anything that you perceive to be valuable. What really differentiates fiat currency from crypto is that  a national treasury is supposedly backing it. Another aspect is that where algorithms, math, and computation dictate the supply of cryptocurrency, central national banks do so for fiat currencies. So there is a certain democratization of monetary supply and where it winds up with crypto, though as states like China jumped on and built mining farms that was impacted.

      Gold is one of the most useful metals there is. It conducts well without tarnishing, it's ductile, it alloys with other metals… There's some in whatever you're reading this on (phone, tablet, or computer) and it even has dental and medical uses. You might not want to make a weapon out of pure gold, and historically it was valued more for its beauty and workability than its modern industrial applications, but it's far from a useless metal then or especially now. And it's rarer than platinum in the crust (being a heavier metal and harder for supernovae to produce). If you want to talk about something stupid we killed and tortured for, sugar should be top of the list. Sugar plantations literally worked slaves to death so people could have a little sweet in their tea.

      BTC is useful, sure, but useful for a lot of nefarious purposes. So the utility cuts two ways. I am sure we would be horrified to hear about some of the things that have been funded by BTC: human trafficking, terrorism, murder for hire, ransomware, kidnappings, etc. My guess is that the use of crypto for bad things and the environmental implications mentioned above make it a net negative--so far--for humanity.

      Far cooler as it pertains to blockchain tech IMO is guaranteed execution and smart contracts.

      Think it, be it.

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        motojobobo
        啓蒙家
        Joined: 22 Aug 2015

        I’m thoroughly enjoying this exchange fellas and learning from it too. Hope I had something more to contribute beyond my appreciation and respect…please keep it going.
        Thanks for the links suggested @tvenuto , I’ll read up !

        The journey is the objective.

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          Seul
          Joined: 24 Nov 2009

          @sabergirl:

          Not the same type of wanking.

          I just wanna point out that I think is the best line ever written on this forum… (Totally stealing it too...)

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            Seul
            Joined: 24 Nov 2009

            In terms of contributing to the discussion, I'll agree with my input bringing litthe to the table though…

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              Graeme
              啓蒙家
              Joined: 30 Mar 2012

              @Filthy:

              There's people that think the we aren't the first human civilization there's been on earth because they keep finding artifacts that carbon date back to pre-human civilization times. Complex gadgets and stuff that shouldn't exist. Unless it's some kind of hoax.

              Go check out the Silurian Hypothesis…

              https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/04/are-we-earths-only-civilization/557180/

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                Seul
                Joined: 24 Nov 2009

                @Graeme:

                Go check out the Silurian Hypothesis…

                Naah mate - not the same type of wanking…

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                  Chris
                  Raw and Unwashed
                  Joined: 28 Jun 2010

                  @Seul:

                  my input bringing litthe to the table though…

                  When has that ever stopped you before?

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                    tvenuto
                    Raw and Unwashed
                    Joined: 15 Sept 2016

                    @mclaincausey:

                    BTC is useful, sure, but useful for a lot of nefarious purposes. So the utility cuts two ways. I am sure we would be horrified to hear about some of the things that have been funded by BTC: human trafficking, terrorism, murder for hire, ransomware, kidnappings, etc. My guess is that the use of crypto for bad things and the environmental implications mentioned above make it a net negative–so far--for humanity.

                    Far cooler as it pertains to blockchain tech IMO is guaranteed execution and smart contracts.

                    I'm going to address this part because it's a particularly pernicious bit of misinformation.  The legacy financial system is absolutely LOUSY with suspicious activity.  I use the term "suspicious" because if a bank sees a suspicious transaction, all they have to do to wash their hands of it is flag it as suspicious, they do not need to stop it or look into it further.  The FINCEN files showed just the magnitude of this flow of dirty money.  Wikipedia sums it thusly: "The reports describe over 200,000 suspicious financial transactions valued at over US$2 trillion that occurred from 1999 to 2017 across multiple global financial institutions."  So, if BTC was ONLY used for illicit purposes, it would be less than half the magnitude as what was (probably) criminally passed through the TRACKED legacy system of financial institutions in that time.  That does not even include cash-based crimes, which are themselves numerous!  The RAND corporation did a study on Zcash (a privacy-focused coin) and did not find widespread evidence of illicit activity.  Mrs. Yellen can say what she wants, but the data just doesn't support BTC or any other cryto being anything close to the problem that the good ol' USD is for criminal activity.

                    So, to sum up: if you own U.S. dollars, you are using the criminal's preferred currency.  If you own bank stock, you yourself personally profited from criminal activity.  Criminals use what they can.  BTC is easier to move than cash, which is easier to move than gold, which is easier to move than grain.  Things that are useful for humans are useful for criminals, I'm having trouble thinking of an exception to that statement.

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                      Snowy
                      Joined: 15 Jun 2012

                      might be worth a crypto thread… maybe?

                      last edited by 17 Jun 2021, 14:07 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                        Seul
                        Joined: 24 Nov 2009

                        If you can afford it…

                        last edited by 17 Jun 2021, 14:34 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                          Filthy2123ozjunkie
                          見習いボスー
                          Joined: 21 Jan 2013

                          I'm going to be spending the next few days unplugged in case you're wondering where I'm at… I'll be getting some much needed r and r. I'll be back before the Pittsburgh hangout on the 25th and definitely for the FW21 reveal. XX

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                            motojobobo
                            啓蒙家
                            Joined: 22 Aug 2015

                            Enjoy your well deserved R&R @Filthy !

                            The journey is the objective.

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                              tvenuto
                              Raw and Unwashed
                              Joined: 15 Sept 2016

                              Indeed, we'll hold it down in your absence, good sir.  Enjoy!

                              last edited by 18 Jun 2021, 21:14 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                                Filthy2123ozjunkie
                                見習いボスー
                                Joined: 21 Jan 2013

                                Thanks gentlemen @motojobobo @tvenuto

                                I couldn't stay away too long.  😃 Iron Heart forum addict.

                                last edited by 19 Jun 2021, 16:50 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                                  Matt
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                                  Joined: 4 Oct 2011

                                  Happy Father’s Day everyone!

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                                    neph93
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                                    Joined: 18 Aug 2014

                                    @Matt:

                                    Happy Father’s Day everyone!

                                    Well said sir, well said.

                                    “Some of those that work forces
                                    Are the same that burn crosses”

                                    • Virginia Woolf
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                                      Filthy2123ozjunkie
                                      見習いボスー
                                      Joined: 21 Jan 2013

                                      I just entered a raffle for a chance to PURCHASE a new graphics card. We were talking about cryptocurrency the other day and this is the main reason why I don't like it, is because it has made new video cards virtually impossible to buy. I wish they would regulate it and also make scalping illegal. Within reason, like maybe selling a new product for more than a 25 percent margin illegal. Old stuff, antiques, collectibles or whatever can remain as is.

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                                        goosehd
                                        Mod Squad
                                        Joined: 8 Apr 2016

                                        @neph93 Thought of you…..

                                        "I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)

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                                          neph93
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                                          Joined: 18 Aug 2014

                                          @goosehd:

                                          @neph93 Thought of you…..

                                          Missed this too… what made you think of me? [emoji23]

                                          “Some of those that work forces
                                          Are the same that burn crosses”

                                          • Virginia Woolf
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