Random Rants
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I don’t think it should be cheaper. I think the direction the market has taken has priced out most people. I think it should be simpler.
Ah, fair point. They have traditonally been simpler but for a good 10-15 years now they've been coming with more and more gadgets which I personally love.
You can still get some stripped down bare bones versions though.
yeah thats true. it most likely has to be a special order though. and thats for the less expensive model. the last truck i owned was a 2003 ford 150 king ranch. chestnut color. that was a sticker of 43k i got it for 39. was a full blown work truck for me. i beat the hell out of it for 10 year til my brother totaled it. that car truck today is 52K. i was crazy to buy it then but $$ was flowing in my business back then.
I bet that truck is even more than 52k today. The sticker on my 16 F150 Lariat was 53k before my trade in and some negotiating.
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Maybe. Google gave me that price. Google knows all.
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Trucks have moved into luxury car territory. Problem with that in my mind is, the higher the price, the more electronics and gadgets to break. I'm driving a 2012 f-150 with the 6.2 v8. 80,000 miles and only thing I've had to pay for are new tires. Free oil changes and tire rotations at the dealer. It's been a great truck.
Last month when I went to the dealer for an oil change they tried to get me to trade it in for a new one. 72k+ on the sticker. New one was a turbo v-6. Needless to say I'm still driving my old one. This is an interesting read, if you like trucks.https://truckyeah.jalopnik.com/the-100-000-luxury-ford-f-450-truck-an-idea-whose-tim-1818972116
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This is very true, more gadgets means more stuff that can break.
@Sage954 what kind of fuel mileage are you getting on that 6.2L?
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I average about 14-15 mpg. Good news is it takes the cheap stuff and has a 36 gallon tank.
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Trucks have moved into luxury car territory. Problem with that in my mind is, the higher the price, the more electronics and gadgets to break. I'm driving a 2012 f-150 with the 6.2 v8. 80,000 miles and only thing I've had to pay for are new tires. Free oil changes and tire rotations at the dealer. It's been a great truck.
Last month when I went to the dealer for an oil change they tried to get me to trade it in for a new one. 72k+ on the sticker. New one was a turbo v-6. Needless to say I'm still driving my old one. This is an interesting read, if you like trucks.https://truckyeah.jalopnik.com/the-100-000-luxury-ford-f-450-truck-an-idea-whose-tim-1818972116
Come on… you can't brag about your Raptor and not post up some pics
If I could choose a new truck, I'd get a Tundra TRDPRO in 2 seconds. My dad just got the Tacoma TRDPro and it's a badass machine. I don't really fit in tacos / 4 runners tho lol [emoji23]
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Right…but I still don't see how that translates into "it should be cheaper". Trucks have been pretty pricey for quite a while now, especially diesels. With a truck you're getting a lot of transmission and engine, heavier duty suspension, brakes, etc....just because something is meant for work doesn't mean it should be cheaper.
It's very similar to IH and workwear in general. It's clothing originally meant for work but it's not cheap because of the quality of the materials and construction. They can take a beating and last forever. Same principle IMO.
They were inexpensive because every 5ft nothing soccer mom wasn't getting a workout jumping in and out of them. (That's right, I'm looking at you) I'm no treehugger but driving a 12mpg suv with a baby seat and a couple of bags of groceries is seriously fucked up. SUVs were classified as trucks and demand really took off. And since they were making more of them, the price went-up. Cause that's how we are. Spare me the Econ101 on supply and demand.
The real problem is-I got an F150 new in 1986 for a little over 11k. Memory. That's the problem. Your kids will roll their eyes when you talk about the Good Olde Days of 50k trucks. Or whatever horrifies you most about the now. -
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I don't have any recent photos. This is from a big storm a few winters ago.
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The whole, "A truck is so much more functional than a car" argument starts to fizzle when we're talking about $70K trucks. There's a very good chance someone spending that kind of money on a truck will rarely, if ever, put the bed to use or let it see a rutted dirt road.
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^disagree. Trailering and long haul trips with multiple people/gear/luggage etc as reference
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The whole, "A truck is so much more functional than a car" argument starts to fizzle when we're talking about $70K trucks. There's a very good chance someone spending that kind of money on a truck will rarely, if ever, put the bed to use or let it see a rutted dirt road.
According to recent auto industry's experts, Trucks and Full size SUVs are holding their resale value better than sedans. Lowish fuel prices and well executed marketing tactics have made more and more Americans buy larger vehicles due to their perceived Utilitarian benefits.
We are seeing used car prices for sedans, coupes and small crossovers (at least here in the US) drop, thanks in part to the over-loaning by banks in new cars with crazy low interest rates, while trucks and SUVs are having record low days on the lot.
While I don't agree that a $70k truck is a "good investment" buying a $70 Raptor or F250 King Ranch will yield better residuals come trade in time (as long as the market dosnt drastically change) than if you were to buy a similarly priced sedan or sports car. Add in the fact that luxury vehicles (which is where nearly all $70 sedans fall) depreciate at notably higher rates, one could easily argue that you are better off buying a $70 Ford truck or chevy SUV right now than you are buying a Lexus, Mercedes or even Tesla (we still don't have enough data on their residuals).
With all that said, the BEST investment right now in Automotive is a new Toyota TRD pro 4Runner.
You can get them brand new for around $45-47k and two year old models with 35-50k miles are resealing around $38-45k. Unless you defer your payments for some crazy amount of time, by 6 months into payments, you already have as asset with a perceived worth greater than your debt.
I don't think any other Automotive purchase has the ability to hold its value like that. Especially when we are seeing 43% 3-year residual drops from nearly all luxury makes.
Just 2 cents from someone that sells and buys a lot of cars - some I make money on, some I break even on, others I lose.
PRO TIP: never buy a Nissan less than 3 years old… lol [emoji23]
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I'd amend that to just, "Never buy a new vehicle."
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^truth!
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While I am in the camp of believers that new vehicles offer their own set of problems, certain vehicles actually are better off purchased brand new, or at least equipped with a CPO warranty.
The 2016 Land Rover Discovery Sport was actually cheaper to buy brand new this past June than it is right now to buy a used version. The incentives on last year model variants left over can carry brand incentives where as buying used, you will simply
Pay MSRP minus residual depreciation.Once again, this theory only applies to about 2% of cars, but if you want/need a warranty, or you can get a new car around the price of a 1 or even 2 year model because of rebates, enjoy the lower financing of the newer model.
Take his with a grain of salt as I DID just buy a 15 year old Toyota that's cost me 10% of what a new one retails for today lol [emoji23]
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The whole, "A truck is so much more functional than a car" argument starts to fizzle when we're talking about $70K trucks. There's a very good chance someone spending that kind of money on a truck will rarely, if ever, put the bed to use or let it see a rutted dirt road.
Personally this is true for me because I rarely tow anything, however the majority of the people I know that have 70k plus trucks get their moneys worth and then some. They tow shit all the time.
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Ageee with @Appfaff , resale valuenon trucks has been solid for a good while now.
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So, White Oak is shutting down. The owner of just over a year is International Textile Group run by Wilbur Ross, a billionaire Wall St ass swipe who is also Cheezit's Secretary of Commerce. Nice going fellas! Keep those jobs in Murica!
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Yep. Guess we should have seen this coming a year ago
