Random Rants
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My dad complains about the price of cars by saying, "I'm not paying more for a car than I did for my first house." His first house was 45k, so he's starting to get slightly limited.
i'm pretty sure in the USA there's a lot of cars that are fit into that category.. considering a premium sedan, say a 320i is about 35k..
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The costs of trucks are getting slightly ridiculous. Or maybe the Options that most trucks include are the issue.
Ive seen some “pickups” with stickers upwards of 75k. A friend of mine had to
Scour the country for a GMC with a standard bed, Bench seat and no cab. And his son in law works for GMCAgreed. I wasn't really in the know on truck prices when my wife and I bought a car last December. When we were waiting for some paperwork to get done there was a brand new Tundra in the lobby….. Jaw just about hit the floor when I saw the price was just over $50K. I know the GMC/Ford/Dodge's can be $25K+ more which is insane to me. There are so many really good vehicle options for $75K, none of which are trucks.
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I'm not really understanding why people are so shocked that trucks are expensive now. A truck is so much more than a car and you can do so much with it than a car like I don't know…..tow and haul all kinds of shit. Plus they have all of the luxuries now that cars do so that is a factor in the cost as well. IMO you get much more bang for your buck with a truck than you do spending big money on a car. I would rather spend 50k plus on a truck than a car, but I am a truck guy.
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trucks were originally meant for work. cars for luxury. now a person is hard pressed to find a truck thats affordable and meant for work. cadillac pickup? denali pickup? 80k duely?
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Right…but I still don't see how that translates into "it should be cheaper". Trucks have been pretty pricey for quite a while now, especially diesels. With a truck you're getting a lot of transmission and engine, heavier duty suspension, brakes, etc....just because something is meant for work doesn't mean it should be cheaper.
It's very similar to IH and workwear in general. It's clothing originally meant for work but it's not cheap because of the quality of the materials and construction. They can take a beating and last forever. Same principle IMO.
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I don’t think it should be cheaper. I think the direction the market has taken has priced out most people. I think it should be simpler.
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I don’t think it should be cheaper. I think the direction the market has taken has priced out most people. I think it should be simpler.
Ah, fair point. They have traditonally been simpler but for a good 10-15 years now they've been coming with more and more gadgets which I personally love.
You can still get some stripped down bare bones versions though.
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I don’t think it should be cheaper. I think the direction the market has taken has priced out most people. I think it should be simpler.
Ah, fair point. They have traditonally been simpler but for a good 10-15 years now they've been coming with more and more gadgets which I personally love.
You can still get some stripped down bare bones versions though.
yeah thats true. it most likely has to be a special order though. and thats for the less expensive model. the last truck i owned was a 2003 ford 150 king ranch. chestnut color. that was a sticker of 43k i got it for 39. was a full blown work truck for me. i beat the hell out of it for 10 year til my brother totaled it. that car truck today is 52K. i was crazy to buy it then but $$ was flowing in my business back then.
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I don’t think it should be cheaper. I think the direction the market has taken has priced out most people. I think it should be simpler.
Ah, fair point. They have traditonally been simpler but for a good 10-15 years now they've been coming with more and more gadgets which I personally love.
You can still get some stripped down bare bones versions though.
yeah thats true. it most likely has to be a special order though. and thats for the less expensive model. the last truck i owned was a 2003 ford 150 king ranch. chestnut color. that was a sticker of 43k i got it for 39. was a full blown work truck for me. i beat the hell out of it for 10 year til my brother totaled it. that car truck today is 52K. i was crazy to buy it then but $$ was flowing in my business back then.
I bet that truck is even more than 52k today. The sticker on my 16 F150 Lariat was 53k before my trade in and some negotiating.
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Maybe. Google gave me that price. Google knows all.
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Trucks have moved into luxury car territory. Problem with that in my mind is, the higher the price, the more electronics and gadgets to break. I'm driving a 2012 f-150 with the 6.2 v8. 80,000 miles and only thing I've had to pay for are new tires. Free oil changes and tire rotations at the dealer. It's been a great truck.
Last month when I went to the dealer for an oil change they tried to get me to trade it in for a new one. 72k+ on the sticker. New one was a turbo v-6. Needless to say I'm still driving my old one. This is an interesting read, if you like trucks.https://truckyeah.jalopnik.com/the-100-000-luxury-ford-f-450-truck-an-idea-whose-tim-1818972116
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This is very true, more gadgets means more stuff that can break.
@Sage954 what kind of fuel mileage are you getting on that 6.2L?
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I average about 14-15 mpg. Good news is it takes the cheap stuff and has a 36 gallon tank.
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Trucks have moved into luxury car territory. Problem with that in my mind is, the higher the price, the more electronics and gadgets to break. I'm driving a 2012 f-150 with the 6.2 v8. 80,000 miles and only thing I've had to pay for are new tires. Free oil changes and tire rotations at the dealer. It's been a great truck.
Last month when I went to the dealer for an oil change they tried to get me to trade it in for a new one. 72k+ on the sticker. New one was a turbo v-6. Needless to say I'm still driving my old one. This is an interesting read, if you like trucks.https://truckyeah.jalopnik.com/the-100-000-luxury-ford-f-450-truck-an-idea-whose-tim-1818972116
Come on… you can't brag about your Raptor and not post up some pics
If I could choose a new truck, I'd get a Tundra TRDPRO in 2 seconds. My dad just got the Tacoma TRDPro and it's a badass machine. I don't really fit in tacos / 4 runners tho lol [emoji23]
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Right…but I still don't see how that translates into "it should be cheaper". Trucks have been pretty pricey for quite a while now, especially diesels. With a truck you're getting a lot of transmission and engine, heavier duty suspension, brakes, etc....just because something is meant for work doesn't mean it should be cheaper.
It's very similar to IH and workwear in general. It's clothing originally meant for work but it's not cheap because of the quality of the materials and construction. They can take a beating and last forever. Same principle IMO.
They were inexpensive because every 5ft nothing soccer mom wasn't getting a workout jumping in and out of them. (That's right, I'm looking at you) I'm no treehugger but driving a 12mpg suv with a baby seat and a couple of bags of groceries is seriously fucked up. SUVs were classified as trucks and demand really took off. And since they were making more of them, the price went-up. Cause that's how we are. Spare me the Econ101 on supply and demand.
The real problem is-I got an F150 new in 1986 for a little over 11k. Memory. That's the problem. Your kids will roll their eyes when you talk about the Good Olde Days of 50k trucks. Or whatever horrifies you most about the now. -
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I don't have any recent photos. This is from a big storm a few winters ago.
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The whole, "A truck is so much more functional than a car" argument starts to fizzle when we're talking about $70K trucks. There's a very good chance someone spending that kind of money on a truck will rarely, if ever, put the bed to use or let it see a rutted dirt road.
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^disagree. Trailering and long haul trips with multiple people/gear/luggage etc as reference
