Lifter problems
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Indeed. I refuse to size up in the waist.
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@TrickHell:
Count me among the bro scientists who thinks "ass to grass is bad for your knees" is a vicious communist lie. Go ass to grass, you'll be fine, your body will get used to it. Start light and build up.
Once your knees are shot, depth can become a problem, as I'm finding. My sister-in-law is a surgeon who also lifts, and is convinced that below parallel isn't for everyone. I studied biomechanics back in the day at university, and it's easy to see how some percentage of people would have difficulty.
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@TrickHell:
Count me among the bro scientists who thinks "ass to grass is bad for your knees" is a vicious communist lie. Go ass to grass, you'll be fine, your body will get used to it. Start light and build up.
Once your knees are shot, depth can become a problem, as I'm finding. My sister-in-law is a surgeon who also lifts, and is convinced that below parallel isn't for everyone. I studied biomechanics back in the day at university, and it's easy to see how some percentage of people would have difficulty.
I think the first sentence here is key. A2G squats will not mess up healthy knees, but there are circumstances where they're not a good idea. Of course if the person had been doing proper squats in the past they might not be in the state they're in, but you have to work with what you've got.
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@TrickHell:
Count me among the bro scientists who thinks "ass to grass is bad for your knees" is a vicious communist lie. Go ass to grass, you'll be fine, your body will get used to it. Start light and build up.
Once your knees are shot, depth can become a problem, as I'm finding. My sister-in-law is a surgeon who also lifts, and is convinced that below parallel isn't for everyone. I studied biomechanics back in the day at university, and it's easy to see how some percentage of people would have difficulty.
I think the first sentence here is key. A2G squats will not mess up healthy knees, but there are circumstances where they're not a good idea. Of course if the person had been doing proper squats in the past they might not be in the state they're in, but you have to work with what you've got.
By way off an update on squats, my knees and ATG, I started doing wide stance ATG squats (3x10) as a secondary exercise on deadlift day, about a month ago @90kg. I'm now up to 115kg. The real result is that on squat day (where I go 6x4 or 5x5 @ 140-150kg), I use what I've learnt to break parallel and then some. So my standard squat is at the same weight as earlier but I'm going much, much deeper.
Full disclosure though, my knees fucking hate me. I have had a cruciate tear in the one knee from rugby, and a floating kneecap on the other, from god knows what (years of abuse most likely). They are stiff and painful every day, but, they are coping. The reason, I think, is that my general squat form has improved massively as a result of the ATG for reps. Thanks for all the advice guys.
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I always find a week off helps me come back stronger. More rest is better IMO
It has taken me a lot of years of training to work that out.
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I always find a week off helps me come back stronger. More rest is better IMO
It has taken me a lot of years of training to work that out.
I agree. I'm fresh off a 5 day break and I PRd my snatch this morning. [emoji1434]
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I always find a week off helps me come back stronger. More rest is better IMO
It has taken me a lot of years of training to work that out.
I was going to say the exact same thing, a week off always does me good. Has me refreshed and ready to hit it when I come back. It's always recommended it almost every piece of lifting literature I have read. You really won't loose any strength from a week off, you might actually come back a bit stronger.
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It was very much a mind thing for me. When I was young I was convinced in my head time off meant I would lose muscle and be weaker. So of course I would have a couple of crap sessions after time off. But once I got a bit older and actually listened to my body and took a break when it needed it. I always came back stronger.
Hell I am only training twice a week at the moment and still planning a complete week off in the next couple of weeks.
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It was very much a mind thing for me. When I was young I was convinced in my head time off meant I would lose muscle and be weaker. So of course I would have a couple of crap sessions after time off. But once I got a bit older and actually listened to my body and took a break when it needed it. I always came back stronger.
Hell I am only training twice a week at the moment and still planning a complete week off in the next couple of weeks.
Rest is bestTotally agree, it is 100% a mental thing.
A few years ago I was working out 6 days a week and hitting every body part twice a week, and hitting it hard. I did this for about a year and a half straight and although I was in the shape of my life I ended up injuring myself and being out of the gym for 9 months due to a separated AC joint. I've been back at it for about 6 months now and I am still working my way back to strength in my chest and shoulder exercises.
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I took five days off last week and got a hang snatch PR yesterday. Yeah for rest.
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I took five days off last week and got a hang snatch PR yesterday. Yeah for rest.
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Lol and I'm growing senile in my old age. Apparently I already told you all yesterday. [emoji85]
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I took five days off last week and got a hang snatch PR yesterday. Yeah for rest.
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Lol and I'm growing senile in my old age. Apparently I already told you all yesterday. [emoji85]
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Hey you're just really proud, no shame in that.
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Have been extremely slack on my gym routine of late. Back at it starting tomorrow before work - any tips on some good routines? Need to lean up but also not in a rush to up a shirt size to XXL and have to repurchase my whole wardrobe! I was thinking compound movements, 50% max weight HIIT sets or something- welcome any suggestions, I know a lot of you guys are pretty knowledgeable
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If you want to lean up, then it's really about diet. Exercise alone doesn't burn a huge amount of calories.
From my reading on diet, there's no compelling evidence that any one approach is better than any other. Low carb hasn't been proven to be superior to low fat, or vice versa; six meals per day don't cause you to lose weight faster than the regular three or two; and anything that tells you to cut out entire food groups is probably a stupid idea.
All diets work by eating less than the body needs, so my general advice is to figure out what works for you, and try to stick to it. I'm a nerd, so like calorie counting with a rough If It Fits Your Macros approach. (Though this generally boils down to keeping an eye on protein intake, and making sure I don't eat too much sugar.)
As for a training programme, I'm a big fan of compound movements. Most people on this thread seem to lean towards powerlifting, so I doubt anyone will disagree there.
Programme choice is probably governed by your goals. If you're training for strength it's likely to be one thing, and for hypertrophy it's another.
I'm currently running a five day split based on a template from T-Nation. I chose it because it separates a couple of lifts a bit better than the one my PT gave me a few months back, particularly after it'd drifted from what was originally written.
A good resource is ExRx's list of programmes. These are barebone templates, and you plug in suitable exercises. They run from full-body routines, through to four day splits.
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This is a thread about lifting @Giles, not steroids. Nobody will look like that guy naturally ^^^^
