Revisiting Old Classics - Should We/Shouldn't We?
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In the end, I'd prefer to see H and crew foster new creations as opposed to re-running the classics. Most buyers are fickle creatures and want what they can't have which is a huge part of the draw of the classics. If new versions of classics are reproduced and readily available, I believe you'd see a lot of buyers sit on the fence.
Edit: The best example I can think of is the Swedish Serge vest. A few guys were able to get their hands on them years ago and the forum was going apeshit. G got a shipment in stock and a good spread of sizes ended up on special.
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@bushmonkey's first 49 (he was a genius and got two) is one of my all time favorite evo's. Thank you BM! And your 705 pics convinced me to get my pair, so I am super grateful. Thanks for participating in this conversation as you probably have one of the most stacked wardrobes around. This is a challenging topic to properly articulate, no doubt.
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I appreciate this thread. From my side, having put a good deal of time and energy into hunting down certain pieces, I can certainly understand some of the points from both sides. My purple 12 is literally my favorite piece of clothing. Period. It is not my favorite because it is rare. It is my favorite because of the quality, cut and pattern. Tracking it down was fun and rewarding. However, I'm also happy more people will get a chance to wear one.
Still, I do think it would have been nice to leave a few things with somewhat mythical status. The Cookie Monster 20 leaps to mind. I also agree with @bushmonley that doing something like a Cookie Monster Viyella would have been cooler than an outright rerun, but I certainly understand people wanting to own the classics. I think it's a tough balance to strike for G and H, and I feel many of the posts above oversimplify the issue on both sides.
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I think, as we've seen in the past few years, we can have a balance between remakes and new H classics.
Backed.
I guess reruns are only going to be worthwhile if there is sufficient perceived demand. Even then it might not be as fun for H to be rerunning rather that dreaming up and getting new items through the production process?
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What about just doing a similiar run but with updated and tweaked pattern, cut, colour and design. So there is always something new to look forward to and the old masterpieces stay unique.
I personally like both ideas of an item staying extinct or being rerun whereas I would slightly go for letting items rest in peace. Why? Then there's room for creativity and something new. I found it a bit boring to see the heavily limited runs of UHFs in Buffalo patterns only btw…
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I'm all for a line of IronHeart staples like the hickory stripes, denim shirts, etc. but I want future legends. I want fresh fabrics in the traditional cuts that complement the best damn heavy denim out there. Recycling old shirts reminds me of the American auto industry…Challenger...Charger...Dart...Camaro...let em rest and keep working hard to strike up new concepts.
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My grandpa has had this early 1990's Porsche Carerra 4 ever since I was a little kid. It's super special to him, fun to drive, and now, it is essentially irreplaceable - to the point that people will pay 10x what he originally paid for it. They Live in Indiana and sadly from about November to March, there is no way he could think about driving it.. nor does he want to for that matter.
For driving around town and for year round driving, he leases Acura sedans - nothing crazy special, but he likes what they offer. He gets a new model every 3 years and drives the hell out of them while he has them. Luckily for him, Acura keeps making the same cars year after year and they keep getting better. Better electronics, better handling, better leather for the seats, etc…
The same can be said about IH. We all need those staple items - the IHSH-13, the 21s, the 07 and the 62 to wear every week and when we want a new one, we can grab one without waiting very long every once and a while H will find a new gauge of thread, a new way to make the color better, or perhaps the factory will make a change we get to experience something special because of i, even with the continually produced items.
Porsche will never bring back the old air cooled engines, simply because technology has improved so much that they know how to make things more efficiently now. Luckily for the younger generation, those of us that are nostalgic about things such as driving around in your grandpas convertible, or seeing old photos of Peterrock in a badass IH Flannel - We can relive that nostalgia with the recent renditions of these classics - both Carerras and UHFs.
Just my 2 cents.
Back to scheduled programming.
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I came late to the party, so of course i'd like to see some re runs of the sought after pieces, they must be good if people are still talking about them, so why wouldn't I want one? and besides, surely there are only so many good colour/pattern combinations you can design before you re visit the classics.
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It's clothing, not Fabrege eggs. The value is in the quality, not the rarity. If remaking an old item will make customers happy, then remake it. I don't care if it's a deadstock IHSH-35 or one fresh off the factory floor, I just want one.
The customer base even five years ago was different and smaller than it is now. Hell, for that matter, Giles was running IHUK by himself out of his basement, and now it's expanded and relocated a couple of times and has four full time workers (and yes, I know I'm being generous to count Giles as a "worker"). So the analysis of which things to make extant then was different than it is now, and an item like the IHSH-20 that everyone gets all wobbly kneed about might never have stopped production if it were introduced in 2015 instead of 2010.
Bottom line, I don't think there's any reason for any item to ever stay extinct, other than it being physically impossible to remake.
I agree
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I only want things that are so rare they haven't ever come into existence.
Alternatively I only want to see a re-run of something I missed out on first time around but NOTHING ELSE!
Or perhaps I just want a re-run of everything now that my mum has finally let me choose my own clothes.
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finally i came along to read the whole thread (which was created by @Chris btw.) and have to say that @bushmonkey @Clint_D @Anesthetist is where it´s at imo…
still i would love to know and hear what @madmonday @PETEROCK1 @DrPat @Daveo @Jestre have to say about this!?
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@madmonday i think i know why
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@den213:
Very well written, Appfaff!
Thanks! I enjoy seeing the classics remade, but in different ways - make the red 51 a work shirt, turn the brown 38 into a western, heck - turn the MKII into a single pocket oxford cut… it let's us relive the past while still moving into the future.
Great: now I want an old Porsche.
If only… http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/porsche/911/1807858.html - old school cool, right here.
