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    • GraemeG
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      There are a couple of critiques of Taubes's books here:

      http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/why-we-get-fat/
      http://www.weightymatters.ca/2011/01/book-review-gary-taubes-why-we-get-fat.html

      I've heard of studies comparing low fat and low carb diets, and neither seemed to have a particular advantage over the other. Though I did see something suggesting that some people respond much better to one than the other, and that's a genetic thing.

      Where a low carb diet has an advantage is that protein leads to satiety faster than carbs, which helps people to eat less.

      If I were being properly anal about diet, I'd follow these guidelines:

      • Cut back on processed food, sugars, saturated fats.

      • Eat less red meat, particularly when processed. It's been associated with a significantly increased risk of bowel cancer. I think that the safe limit is around 340 grams (about 3/4 lb).

      • Don't sweat meal timings. Some people lose weight or build muscle on six meals a day. Others achieve the same results on an intermittent fasting programme.

      • If you want to slim down, eat less. If you want to bulk up eat more. And track what you're consuming.

      The bottom line is that it's what works for you: I've lost weight (about 10 to 15 kg / 20 to 30 lbs) on a mixture of low fat diets and intermittent fasting over a couple of years. Derivative666 has fantastic results from Paleo. Mclaincausey is probably doing OK with low carbs.

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      • GraemeG
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        @bagley920:

        I figured a mixture of both was a good thing. I hate running, so I always choose an eliptical or something along those lines. I might have to try some tabata workouts once this soreness goes away. Right now, it hurts to even jog haha

        If you hate running then don't run, and do something you enjoy instead. 🙂

        And I hope the soreness clears up soon. It's always a bit of a pain.

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        • mclaincauseyM
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          I don't agree with low-fat diets or low-cholesterol diets, but I definitely agree with low-carb diets and ketogenic diets.

          Think it, be it.

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          • bagley920B
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            What defines a low carb diet though? When Atkins was popular, wasn't it like 20 net carbs?

            If I am not I, who will be? -Henry David Thoreau

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            • mclaincauseyM
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              No idea. I don't log or count, I just don't drink sodas or juice, I'm careful about fruit, I don't do grains, and I never eat sweets. Mainly veggies, whole, pastured organic milk, pastured, organic meats, wild caught cold water fish.

              I find that I don't get very hungry anymore, at least not the way I used to. Even when I intermittently fast.

              I guess I don't think in terms of diet. I think d666 put it pretty well when he characterized it as lifestyle choice instead of diet. I choose to abide by a few principles for the rest of my life in terms of what I will eat. Not about weight loss though that's been a happy side effect. About feeling good and being healthy…

              One thing in going to try soon is to force my metabolism into ketosis. I have a book on that, will advise how that goes.

              Think it, be it.

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              • derivative666D
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                Agreed with above no diet just lifestyle change. This is how I choose to eat.

                "Obstacles are stepping-stones that guide us to our goals"

                "honorable mention to the bearded giant aka derivative666 for being a stand up dude & not changing with the seasons since i've been around these parts" Monday

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                  I still shake my head at the fact that you guys drink cow lactations….and like it…...ewwwww :o

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                  • mclaincauseyM
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                    Absolutely love whole pastured milk. Which goes against paleo, but I have no issues with lactose, love milk, and the nutritional profile from pastured dairy is insane.

                    Think it, be it.

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                    • derivative666D
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                      I agree with Adam that shit grosses me out haha

                      "Obstacles are stepping-stones that guide us to our goals"

                      "honorable mention to the bearded giant aka derivative666 for being a stand up dude & not changing with the seasons since i've been around these parts" Monday

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                      • mclaincauseyM
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                        Well y'all like cheese?

                        For those of us lucky enough to tolerate and love it, way cheaper even at $7/gallon than protein powders I bet. All the CLA and omega 3s you want too!

                        Think it, be it.

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                        • derivative666D
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                          I no longer eat any dairy

                          "Obstacles are stepping-stones that guide us to our goals"

                          "honorable mention to the bearded giant aka derivative666 for being a stand up dude & not changing with the seasons since i've been around these parts" Monday

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                            @adam313:

                            I still shake my head at the fact that you guys drink cow lactations….and like it…...ewwwww :o

                            :). Hemp milk is the best! Pity it doesn't exist down in Australia.

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                            • bagley920B
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                              I don't mind protein powders. The one I use has no sugar, 1 net carb and 50g of protein per serving. Can't beat that

                              If I am not I, who will be? -Henry David Thoreau

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                              • GraemeG
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                                @mclaincausey:

                                No idea. I don't log or count, I just don't drink sodas or juice, I'm careful about fruit, I don't do grains, and I never eat sweets. Mainly veggies, whole, pastured organic milk, pastured, organic meats, wild caught cold water fish.

                                Despite our disagreement about the theoretical underpinnings, that's probably not too far off what I'd do. 😃

                                I don't have a problem with grains and fruit, and am more into low fat milk (but I understand there are benefits of full fat), but that's fiddling with the corners.

                                No, I'm not eating that clean right now. I do need to fix my diet.

                                As for milk, humans have adapted to drinking milk (see this article) about 7500 years ago.

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                                • mclaincauseyM
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                                  I have read that article, and it's only speaking of a few groups of human that retain lactose tolerance into adulthood. Since I'm apparently in that group, I drink it. The article sort of reminded me of Gus, Germs, and Steel, characterizing the adaptation as a competitive advantage.

                                  Think it, be it.

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                                  • joesaintjohnJ
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                                    Skogg is no feckin' joke!!! Pretty sad my pregnant wife is doing it and barely breaking a sweat.

                                    Fat dudes need good clothes too.

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                                      LOL, Skogg kicks my ass SO hard. I can hardly walk the day after, there really is nothing I've ever done like it. Your wife is amazing, but you know that 😘

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                                      • bagley920B
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                                        If you ain't sweatin, you ain't workin!!

                                        If I am not I, who will be? -Henry David Thoreau

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                                        • joesaintjohnJ
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                                          Rode 25 miles today. Forgot how much I enjoy riding a bike. I know it's not optimal for burning fat, but it sets calories ablaze and is ridiculously fun. Came home and killed this Paleo meal.

                                          Fat dudes need good clothes too.

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                                          • Finn666F
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                                            don't think about how much calories it burns or not…as long as you're doing something, you don't have to worry brother! it's all good!

                                            brilliant looking plate btw.! 😉

                                            I for myself really need to get shit started again! need to find a gym or join the local crossfit crew asap!
                                            damn 😠

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