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    • ChrisC
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      Growing up, I swam for my neighborhood pool's swim team and ran on the track team in Jr and Sr High.  I love swimming and running and followed the sports at the top level for years.  Over that time, I've come to three conclusions, all of which are sad and a bit cynical. 1) Doping is common and usually better than the testing to catch it.  2) The sports with the best, most extensive, testing programs are paradoxically the ones with the worst reputations for drug use.  3) If people want to jeopardize their long term health for short term competitive advantage, I say let them; just stop the losing battle and allow PEDs.

      I also think we should pay collegiate athletes and allow them to get degrees in things like "football" and "basketball".

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      • mclaincauseyM
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        I struggle with that because of the ripple effect.  It's one thing if adults are making that decision, it's another if teens are.  Doping happens at the Jr High level in America already, and I worry that letting it go would worsen this situation.  I say this as a person who doesn't believe any mood altering substance should be illegal for adults to buy and use, by the way… a staunch civil libertarian as far as personal liberties, including the right to make mistakes, goes.

        Otherwise, it would be a slam dunk for me to just stop testing.

        It's thought that genetically enhanced athletes have already competed at the Olympic level.  Not sure how they expect to test for that form of unnatural enhancement.

        Think it, be it.

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        • tatmantallT
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          I think PEDs should be mandatory. 😃 I want my sports exciting… "I want my sports like video games" slam dunks from half court and 1500 ft. Home runs. They make huge paycheck and generally are miserable after their body gives out and they have to turn to sports costing anyways might as well give us a great show while they can.

          While we are talking about sports I want to say I'm sick and tired of there being more and more safety precautions out in Anerican sports. Pussifying everything. Lame sauce

          "I know to you it may sound strange, but I wish it would rain…"- The Temptations

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          • RocknRollR
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            Hell yeAh! Lets have the Dope Olympics, where everyone is juiced up to the max. That would be spectacular indeed, except that I suspect there would be a lot of deaths!

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            • JamesMargJ
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              Not sure how unpopular this will be, or how much agreement i will receive.

              I hate it how some individuals buy Harley-Davidson gear, leather jackets, pants, and all manner of 'touristy' motorcycle paraphernalia to attempt to look tough.  Then when asked what motorcycle they possess, or which is their favourite Harley of old, the reply with 'Duhh some of the ones in 'Wild Hogs' were pretty slick.'

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              • ronaldlshR
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                Nice thread and you guys are really funny.

                Here's mine:
                I don't understand the whole thing behind vintage.
                It's 2013, things got to get better.

                THE RAW WAR

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                > Just going to keep wearing IH.

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                • Megatron1505M
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                  Not clothes man, clothes got cheaper in every way, cheaper material, cheaper manufacturing, cheaper labour. The appeal of vintage is the authentic style and the better made garment, and it is why brands like Iron Heart manufacture on shuttle looms and make loop wheeled tees, the older ways were better in many instance, just not cost effective for mass production these days.

                  Plus, I think it's about the soul of the item, mass produced Vietnamese or Bangladeshi factory made high street crap has no soul. Hand/ vintage made clothing does.

                  Made in England, clothed in Japan, fed in America and drunk in Belgium !

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                  • seanoconoS
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                    @ronaldlsh:

                    I don't understand the whole thing behind vintage.
                    It's 2013, things got to get better.

                    Ron, I feel like this should be true, too. Unfortunately, ever since companies discovered this whole "strategic obsolescence" thing, it's been mostly down hill.

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                    • ronaldlshR
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                      Or should I say I cannot agree with repro products which are made exactly to how things are in the past. I believe that, since there is better technology and stuff like that, we should be modifying stuff, and making things better.

                      THE RAW WAR

                      @ronaldlsh:

                      > Just going to keep wearing IH.

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                      • Megatron1505M
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                        But we don't as it isn't cost effective. Rather than make things better we use technology to make things cheaper and easier, hence vintage is king.

                        Made in England, clothed in Japan, fed in America and drunk in Belgium !

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                        • mclaincauseyM
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                          Satan's really a good guy if you get to know him. Best doubles partner I've ever played tennis with too.

                          Think it, be it.

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                            ^That makes you Saddam doesn't it?

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                            • SeulS
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                              Well where was he gonna go: Detroit?..

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                              • mclaincauseyM
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                                Tennis was NOT a metaphor/euphemism 😃 😃

                                Think it, be it.

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                                • riffblaster generalR
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                                  @Megatron1505:

                                  Not clothes man, clothes got cheaper in every way, cheaper material, cheaper manufacturing, cheaper labour. The appeal of vintage is the authentic style and the better made garment, and it is why brands like Iron Heart manufacture on shuttle looms and make loop wheeled tees, the older ways were better in many instance, just not cost effective for mass production these days.

                                  Plus, I think it's about the soul of the item, mass produced Vietnamese or Bangladeshi factory made high street crap has no soul. Hand/ vintage made clothing does.

                                  I like vintage and second hand mostly because it decreases my footprint.  IH is pretty much the only clothing I will actually buy new with the exception of new skate shoes.  Plus I just think old stuff is cool, knowing that this thing has its own history.

                                  PUT DOWN THAT STARBUCKS, PICK UP THAT GNARBUCKS!!

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                                  • ChrisC
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                                    I don't like jeans that use 100% cotton constructional thread.  Poly cotton thread is better in every conceivable way.  There's no reason to use cotton except to be willfully anti progress.  Cotton thread is the original planned obsolescence.

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                                    • mclaincauseyM
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                                      Well then you wouldn't like my new SGs!  Massive polychromatic cotton constructional stitching that will fade with the serge <–there's your reason 🙂

                                      Think it, be it.

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                                      • Megatron1505M
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                                        Jeans which use cotton thread are designed to fail, screw that talk of authenticity.

                                        Made in England, clothed in Japan, fed in America and drunk in Belgium !

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                                        • mclaincauseyM
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                                          I'll take that as a challenge; 2/3 of my rotation are full cotton construction, I'll let you know when they suddenly disintegrate 🙂

                                          Think it, be it.

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                                          • GilesG
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                                            I can blow the cotton constructional stitching on the front pockets within 3 weeks.

                                            "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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