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Interesting thread. I as well could careless about substances and have very personal experiences with addiction and the death of loved ones as a result. However when it comes to civil liberties, is no grey area. they are circular in nature. By that I mean each one of the derives its properties from the others and establishes a foundation for them at the same time.
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Keith Richards, William s. Burroughs comes to mind… SAMO, perhaps? I could name a dozen who claimed their lives were enhanced by substance, whether it not I believe it is not what is up for debate. If an artist feels that substance has given him Insight to create and therefore he produces and therefore he affords to live comfortably who am I to decide if it enhanced his life or was an element of destruction. One persons poison is another mans passion and when we push our own personal opinions on others and forcing them to abandon theirs while expecting ours to be embraced is the minute freedom, liberty and individuality have been surrendered from humanity as a whole. When you address these issues you set precedents for dictation of many aspects of human life. Should overweight people not be allowed to eat McDonald's because it is not enriching their lives and in fact it may be killing them? There is no legislation for these things if liberty is the what we truly seek
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yeah, not for everybody…then again what is?
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Text is a difficult medium from which to draw a complete picture. Tone, inference, and body language are largely invisible. The opinions and views given are my own. While I'm aiming to express myself I wish in no way to inflame or upset anyone by doing so. Whether I do or not is out of my control but that is not my intent. I'll respond in a more concise way tomorrow after some sleep and more thoughtful consideration.
Differing views enrich us all when shared in a constructive manner. I enjoy being a part of this forum for the discussion of denim as much as any other topic that comes up. I regularly see people benefitting from interaction with other forum members whether its about the cut of a jean or the cut of a piece of beef. You guys are great.
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@CLJ:
Differing views enrich us all when shared in a constructive manner. I enjoy being a part of this forum for the discussion of denim as much as any other topic that comes up. I regularly see people benefitting from interaction with other forum members whether its about the cut of a jean or the cut of a piece of beef. You guys are great.
100%. The foundation is acceptance of others, including when other's beliefs differ from one's own. Being able to openly discuss topics that one may not agree with, but from a place a place of respect and acceptance of another human/person is an enabler for learning and growth.
If one tightly holds onto their views and ideas of the world, as apposed to listening, and respectfully evaluating….well as they say, de nile is not just a river in Egypt :).
I personally enjoy being wrong, it's a huge place for learning and growth. I'm often IRL one of the first to blurt something out to learn if it's right/wrong, and also learn from others. And I'm very far from outgoing, but it helps bring openness to the discussion.
For me all discussions are about respect for others, and acceptance of their views. It's great that as a forum we generally do a great job of this.
(and I do love bill hicks
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thanks for the great and interesting read and all the different views everybody! and Z., first time I heard about Bill Hicks…def. want to hear more now
and btw. there's nothing wrong with smoking a bit of green every now and then!...as long as you can "control" it and do it while being at home or anywhere else where you are sure that you won't effect anyone with the way you handle things while being high (not that I'd do anything while being so, just saying though, cuz others might do drive a car, motorcycle or do any other shit which can have impacts on someone else's life!)...
I don't smoke cigarettes but I sure do enjoy a few beers from time to time and some green every now and then! but nothing I couldn't lay off every second now, so for me it's all good and shit shouldn't be overrated too often! being addicted is something else o/course...but that's another story imo! -
hmmm… this took quite interesting turn.
I personally couldn't care less what you fine folks do with your lives. Smoke a reefer, shoot meth / heroin, snif coke, pop pills, use speed, eat painkillers, whatever makes your head dizzy.
What I was sayin', keep it to yourself, don't bring it here.
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Better shut it down guys, he used bold text
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Coming from Zurich which had one of the highest crime rates and death tolls because of heroin worldwide known as the infamous platzspitz followed by letten in the early 90's, i can not support some of the arguments. Also because lost some of my friends and even a Family member because of the abuse of heroin, Prostitution and as a result HIV/AIDS.
Go and google for platzspitz zurich if interested
My 2cents
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^ yes you are
Better shut it down guys, he used bold text
not really sure what he wrote, but the one thing I know is that we all can be happy as f… that he isn't "super mod"...some guys would find their asses banned after sharing their pov!
how can you talk about such things on a forum...shame on you all!
