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    Max Power
    Raw and Unwashed
    Joined: 31 Oct 2010

    Chiming in as so often when the 32oz question pops up…I do own a sample of said denim (as notebook pouch, made by Benzak). I can't weigh it, but it definitely feels like 32 oz (having touched 24/27 oz Samurai and 25 oz IH denim I dare say that). And Benzak told me the mill claimed it to be 34 oz after washing. I trust him on that. But that's just a number...it seems unwearable and totally over the top, stiff as hell in any case. But the quality is great - just speaking for the denim of course.

    Edit: Damn you, b_f, always one step ahead.

    @elclintor:

    > I don't care what people say.. The Max Power way is the right way…

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      beautiful_FrEaK
      Raw and Unwashed
      Joined: 15 Jun 2010

      N&F might do another run of these 32oz jeans…maybe some crazy mind is willing to pick them up... not me.
      at some point weight is really just a gimmick (as is uber-slubby, colored weft, etc.). But some gimmicks are more accepted than others and also more 'useful'

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        Max Power
        Raw and Unwashed
        Joined: 31 Oct 2010

        True that. Though I must admit, that I wouldn't mind a pair of those 32ozers standing in my appartment, as modern art and to please my eyes.

        I got me the Heritage Post Mag (a german imitation of Free & Easy) this weekend, where the owner of Kentaurus Cologne wrote about the increasing weight of denim, concluding that Eight G's 28 oz and IHs 25 oz are not wearable in his opinion. As much as I like to see the boundaries pushed, I feel like 14-18 oz are the best weight for denim and it probably takes some while to realize that.

        @elclintor:

        > I don't care what people say.. The Max Power way is the right way…

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          joesaintjohn
          啓蒙家
          Joined: 9 Aug 2012

          I felt the 32oz at Blue7 in OKC, the thickness was pretty incredible. It was like super heavyweight cardboard. I think it would be a fun challenge to have a pair, just to see if you can get them broken to your will.

          Fat dudes need good clothes too.

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            MikeC
            Banned
            Joined: 7 Nov 2011

            I agree with Max Power, best weights are right in the 14-18oz range. That's why I love the Vulcans, they are heavy but very wearable.

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              netleyhunter
              Joined: 23 Nov 2012

              Tell you all what, after the HWDC2 I will mail the N&F 32oz jeans around for you guys to check out, each person can hang onto it for a couple days then move it onto the next person. We can be the Brotherhood of the Traveling Pants, maybe they will make a movie about it or something.

              I've been wearing the N&F 24oz jeans since May, they are very comfortable. Best way to describe it, would be well worn in leather. No more or less comfortable than the much lighter weight denim I own.

              Live long, hunt hard.

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                Seul
                Joined: 24 Nov 2009

                @Max:

                IHs 25 oz are not wearable in his opinion.

                We got a word for this kinda fella: PUSSY…

                25 oz or bust...

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                  Snowy
                  Joined: 15 Jun 2012

                  @Max:

                  Chiming in as so often when the 32oz question pops up…I do own a sample of said denim (as notebook pouch, made by Benzak). I can't weigh it, but it definitely feels like 32 oz (having touched 24/27 oz Samurai and 25 oz IH denim I dare say that). And Benzak told me the mill claimed it to be 34 oz after washing. I trust him on that. But that's just a number...it seems unwearable and totally over the top, stiff as hell in any case. But the quality is great - just speaking for the denim of course.

                  I was not specifically taking pot shots @ N&F here, rather a general statement of saying 1 weight and it being another. I recall, but can't find, a thread investigating a brand that was doing 29/30oz that when weight was far less.  The point of calling this statement out was to reply back to marketing vs gimmick. If it's labelled as xx but it's actually yy, in that case it's both marketing and a gimmick, even if it's misleading…..

                  I admire N&F for pushing the boundaries, really. Stale industry one does not want. My Gateway Denims were a pair of Nudies that were sand-blasted to the sh!thouse. Marketing worked. Then I discovered Selvege and Raw, and the rest is history. I still own and love my Nudies, they're the softest jeans I own, and I've been wearing them for over 8 years.....

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                    beautiful_FrEaK
                    Raw and Unwashed
                    Joined: 15 Jun 2010

                    But I guess you wouldn't question IH and their advertisement of weight?! 😉
                    The brand you are talking about is called "Fearless", AFAIK. There is a thread here about the RNB-125 (or something like that)

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                      Max Power
                      Raw and Unwashed
                      Joined: 31 Oct 2010

                      Yes, it was Fearless. Though I clearly remember one Lightning Mag where a Heavy weight denim was "officially" measured and was at 30 oz. Maybe Eight G. But, if somebody needs a number to show how tough he is, then I don't know what do say. I wouldn't care if any of my jeans would weigh less than stated, or more. What difference does is make, when the rest is perfect?

                      Anyway, I took the time to do some shots - compared to 15,7 oz Momotaro denim and (last picture) 21/23oz Samurai denim. I really love the fabric, would love to have a tote bag or other stuff made out of it.





                      @elclintor:

                      > I don't care what people say.. The Max Power way is the right way…

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                        Snowy
                        Joined: 15 Jun 2012

                        @beautiful_FrEaK:

                        But I guess you wouldn't question IH and their advertisement of weight?! 😉
                        The brand you are talking about is called "Fearless", AFAIK. There is a thread here about the RNB-125 (or something like that)

                        I'm sure those it's important to have looked into such things, yes. I have recalled reading weighings on here of IH denim also. I don't purchase denim based on weight, regardless of brand (FYI I'm rotating SDA, Sugar Cane, and Iron Heart equally).

                        My point really was around product vs marketing vs gimmick and their intersection. Exploded;

                        1. Good Marketing
                        2. Good Construction/Product
                        3. Gimmick or not, the first 2 trump this.
                        4. Develops interest for the industry
                        5. All win, All are happy

                        @Max I love the second last picture; seriously thick!!!!

                        With Kindness and Respect.

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                          beautiful_FrEaK
                          Raw and Unwashed
                          Joined: 15 Jun 2010

                          @Max:

                          But, if somebody needs a number to show how tough he is, then I don't know what do say. I wouldn't care if any of my jeans would weigh less than stated, or more. What difference does is make, when the rest is perfect?

                          that summarizes it perfectly for me 🙂

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                            Megatron1505
                            見習いボス
                            Joined: 10 Jul 2011

                            Not really, some guys like knives not to feel tough just because they like knives, same here. I like heavy denim, and I like to know how heavy the denim is, simply because I do and not because it makes my metaphoric penis and larger, I just like to know.

                            Made in England, clothed in Japan, fed in America and drunk in Belgium !

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                              Seul
                              Joined: 24 Nov 2009

                              In short: my jeans can beat up your jeans.

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                                derivative666
                                Joined: 30 Jan 2011

                                @Megatron1505:

                                1. It's not my thing, but they're not my jeans. I prefer my jeans to smell like stale beer and farts.

                                Love this guy

                                "honorable mention to the bearded giant aka derivative666 for being a stand up dude & not changing with the seasons since i've been around these parts" Monday

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                                  Giles
                                  IHUK Crew
                                  Joined: 22 Sept 2009

                                  @beautiful_FrEaK:

                                  But I guess you wouldn't question IH and their advertisement of weight?! 😉

                                  I would.  We always underestimate…..

                                  "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                                    beautiful_FrEaK
                                    Raw and Unwashed
                                    Joined: 15 Jun 2010

                                    My point was, the minute another brand claims to be heavier than Ironheart, nearly everyone doubts it. As it would be some kind of lese majesty to use a heavier denim than Ironheart. The 32oz N&F is heavier…but does that make it a better denim? No. There are so many more factors that defines a nice/great denim, not just the mere weight of it.

                                    That's all 🙂

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                                      Seul
                                      Joined: 24 Nov 2009

                                      I don't think it has anything to do with them being heavier than IH… At least not for me... You seem to think of us as braindead IH fanboys of some kind...

                                      There are a lot of reasons why I hate this particular brand, but out of respect for the people on here who wear them, I'll keep it to myself...

                                      last edited by 23 Feb 2013, 09:58 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                                        seanocono
                                        Joined: 17 Oct 2012

                                        @Seul:

                                        There are a lot of reasons why I hate this particular brand, but out of respect for the people on here who wear them, I'll keep it to myself…

                                        Well now I'm just curious…

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                                          beautiful_FrEaK
                                          Raw and Unwashed
                                          Joined: 15 Jun 2010

                                          I'm not a N&F fan either…

                                          But the weight discussion also comes up with other brands (e.g. Fearless and Eight-G)

                                          last edited by 23 Feb 2013, 12:07 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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