Ditch the crotch rivet and I’m in, @Appfaff . Really any iteration of 463 that doesn’t sacrifice the current front/back rise differential would be fine by me.

@mitzimeow

@Nik has some experience overdying his jeans in the washing machine. From memory, he did a pair of 888S-21 with a grey dye.

P.S. I figured out how to find his posts about it. Do an advanced search, you can filter for "Nik" as the user, and search for "smoke grey" in posts.

Nice pickup @FelixK and a good fit, as well.

Some shine on them.....

Lots of reasons. We have to order seasonal items way in advance of announcing them. So when we do announce a collection, they are already in production. And if we could change that, and there are loads of reasons why we can't, using your example if we got pre-orders for fewer work shirts than westerns, then we would have to refund all the work shirt pre-orders, which would probably piss off the people who wanted a work shirt.

We did try it a couple of times in the past with non seasonal items. We got loads of cancellations, loads of "I have put on/lost weight, so I need a different size", loads of "the sizing is not what I expected, so I need another size". It was a nightmare, and the only way we could fulfil all the changes is demand was to make way more of each size to make sure we had enough to cover all the size changes.

The way we do it if far from perfect, but honestly, we think it is the least imperfect.

319olv, PT, 555S-21sbg, Anderson Bean

@cyclops as every run may have slight variations, that is why we say “always trust measurements, always”. No two runs will be exactly identical.

I’m glad that in this instance it worked out in your favour.

@bluemantra Large but he will post a couple of pics for reference I am sure!

@Travis2375 @goosehd is right and if you consider how much thought/consideration goes in to sizing, it would be a real minefield taking pre-orders when we don't know the dimensions of a product until the size run arrives in the UK.