@indigostiff This is why I appreciate Division Road. Not only do they truly take returns (read: back to original payment method) , they'll allow you to order multiple to get the sizing right and then, so long as you're keeping one of the two, comp the return shipping on the one you send back.

Probably a pain for them to manage on the back end and lose a bit more profit than they'd otherwise make, but they seem to be an outlier on both policies with so many other stores not even offering true returns....

@goosehd I think that's all fair to include as context in the discussion, I just immediately get turned off by seeing only store credit offered under a return policy as I want flexibility in purchasing, especially in a situation like this.

Plenty of stockists carried this shirt, but if I had $400 of store credit at one and they sold out my size before I could purchase, then it did me zero good and it may be months or years until I find something I want to purchase from them. Having that much cash "tied up" is a deal breaker for me.

I'd almost rather see them offer an adder that allows it to be returned. Say 5% on top of the purchase price that "turns on" the refund option. That way, the customers that know what they want pay retail and the people that aren't 100% sure get to give it a go without overly hurting the business by making them eat all the costs associated with taking the return.

But maybe that presents additional challenges I'm not thinking of at the moment....

@99Tjadams Fair enough, thanks for the insight. I've tended to size "aspirationally" in the past and it's bit me in the ass a few times, but hoping to drop a few more pounds in the near future, so maybe the XXL isn't too crazy here.

Most of my other stuff is in line with the XXL measurements.

@Tago-Mago Thanks for helping ease my mind! Looks like it fits you well.

@Blacksheep6x Proof that general vitals aren't everything. I'm 6'1" 230 this morning and my XXL (running slightly small per WF) was almost roomy on me.

But looks like you carry more of your weight in your top block whereas I've got more junk in my trunk.

@Tago-Mago got all dressed up to take one, but sorely underestimated how difficult it actually is to get a good photo…

@Tago-Mago got all dressed up to take one, but sorely underestimated how difficult it actually is to get a good photo…

@Blacksheep6x Proof that general vitals aren't everything. I'm 6'1" 230 this morning and my XXL (running slightly small per WF) was almost roomy on me.

But looks like you carry more of your weight in your top block whereas I've got more junk in my trunk.

@Germinal For sure. All else aside, I have no issue with being required to pay for my return shipping, especially in cases where a "free shipping" threshold was triggered on the part of the retailer.

@goosehd I mean, we have to start somewhere and I just picked 5% as it seemed at least somewhat reasonable. If the idea is they lose X on every sale, then surely inflating the price X is taken from would be better than simply basing it on retail. But sure, I would agree that the overhead costs generally are probably much higher than we'd think.

Being completely honest, sometimes I wonder how certain outfits can even stay in business maintaining a brick and mortar....but that's a much larger conversation around costs and margins.

@goosehd I think that's all fair to include as context in the discussion, I just immediately get turned off by seeing only store credit offered under a return policy as I want flexibility in purchasing, especially in a situation like this.

Plenty of stockists carried this shirt, but if I had $400 of store credit at one and they sold out my size before I could purchase, then it did me zero good and it may be months or years until I find something I want to purchase from them. Having that much cash "tied up" is a deal breaker for me.

I'd almost rather see them offer an adder that allows it to be returned. Say 5% on top of the purchase price that "turns on" the refund option. That way, the customers that know what they want pay retail and the people that aren't 100% sure get to give it a go without overly hurting the business by making them eat all the costs associated with taking the return.

But maybe that presents additional challenges I'm not thinking of at the moment....

@indigostiff This is why I appreciate Division Road. Not only do they truly take returns (read: back to original payment method) , they'll allow you to order multiple to get the sizing right and then, so long as you're keeping one of the two, comp the return shipping on the one you send back.

Probably a pain for them to manage on the back end and lose a bit more profit than they'd otherwise make, but they seem to be an outlier on both policies with so many other stores not even offering true returns....

@Tago-Mago Thanks for helping ease my mind! Looks like it fits you well.

@bonguno thanks for the quick reply. I wouldn’t have expected us to be the same size (4” taller and 35+ pounds heavier), but such is life. Maybe I should have opted for the XXL.

@bonguno

What are your vitals? I went for the XXL too, but feel like I’ve got more than a few pounds on you…

@Mizmazzle Thanks for weighing in, I guess I was more focused on that he said his measurements were coming in smaller than IH's in general, so his XXL was coming out "smaller" than their 24" chest measurement, for example.

@99Tjadams Fair enough, thanks for the insight. I've tended to size "aspirationally" in the past and it's bit me in the ass a few times, but hoping to drop a few more pounds in the near future, so maybe the XXL isn't too crazy here.

Most of my other stuff is in line with the XXL measurements.