Got my broken twill in black in today. Initial fit is pretty close to perfect. P2P is a hair tight but still fits very well.

Here are the measurements if interested.

Size - xxl
Shoulder - 20”
Length - 30.5”
P2P - 23.5”
Opening - 23”
Sleeve length - 27.25”
Sleeve opening - 4.9”

I measure using the method shown on iron hearts website and not how self edge advises.

Here are a couple of pics as well. In one of them you can see how this will start to fade.

Was not going to get this one after getting the purple one but felt a store credit from a return burning a hole in my pocket and ended up ordering this one from self edge. This stuff is addicting lol. These will be my first 2 flannels from IH and these lighter weight ones I feel will get more usage as it does not really get all that cold where I live.

@Yoprst my own observations are based on trying on both the 634 and 888. I do not see a ton of difference in fit from knee down. Are the 634s a looser fit? Yes but not by all that much and even less if you cuff like I do roughly 3-4”. Like I said the biggest difference for me was high rise vs medium rise. Maybe there really is not more room in the top block like you say but it definitely makes a big difference for me. I am a gym rat and have always had issues with Jean fit and having the high rise does make a huge difference for me especially once I start moving around standing up kneeling down. Stand still is not as noticeable but the 888s do not feel as tight and give me just enough space to move. Again this is just my personal observation and others may see this differently.

See I have the opposite take as I think a CPO is more versatile. It can be worn as a shirt or a jacket at least depending on where you live and how cold it gets.

But like you said, depending on who you ask they will will all say something different.

@Steve on the next set of trousers, what kind of fit are you shooting for? Something more relaxed or slim fitting. Selfishly I am hoping relaxed as slim does not work for me lol

@Tago-Mago I love the look of these. I have a pair of 633s in the denim and want mine to turn out like this.

Just curious but how many wears did you go before washing for the first time and how often do you go between washes?

@Sunnergren they are already for sale in the stores. I have mine showing up today. I will post pictures when mail gets delivered. I ordered an xxl by the way. I tried it on in store a month ago when I was buying some jeans.

Got my pair of pants in today and they are amazing. They are a hair too big but that is ok. I may try and shrink them a little if possible but these will likely become my lounging pants on the weekend as long as I do not have to go outside. I am not too far away from 100 degree weather. I wish I lives in an area that got a true 4 seasons or at least has a longer cooler season.

For those saying the 888 will fit slimmer that is only half ways true when comparing to the 634. Especially depending on what length you wear the jeans at. The biggest difference I think is the 888 has more room in the top block due to it being high rise. While the 888 does taper there is not a huge difference when comparing knee width and if you cuff or get your jeans tailored to a shorter length, then there is not as big a difference in hem width. There is still a taper there but not quite as much as the measurements make it out to be I feel. At least this is my perspective. For me, mid rise jeans just do not work because of the room I need in the top block along with thigh size.

So I know there have been quite a few sizing questions on this. Thought I would provide measurements for the xxxl I received today.

I usually fall into a xxl with the measurement I look for which are P2P of around 23.75-24 and a shoulder width of 19.5-20”. I also measured using IH UKs method.

Tag size: xxxl
Shoulders : 20.25”
Length: 30.25”
P2P: 24”
Waiste: 23.25”
Opening: 23.75”
Sleeve: 26.5”
Sleeve opening: 4.9”

Overall this came in a hair smaller then what was listed on self edges site in general (mainly P2P) so it will be a hair tight to fit a layer underneath but I will make do. For the weather that I get in Texas, I usually do not need to really layer too often during the couple of months of cool weather.

Also, I am glad I went by listed measurements which told me to go with a xxxl instead of the usual xxl. Sizes can vary quite a bit between different orders/batches of product.

Anyone getting a ton of wear either theirs yet? I am around 20 days in mine and it is really starting to soften up and feel amazing. I only wear mine at the office as they keep it freezing cold. It is already too hot outside where I am to wear long sleeve denim shirts

What is the standard recommendation for sizing Wesco Mr Lous? Half size down and increase width one? So if my brannock is 11.5d, I should look at a 11E?

@Yoprst my own observations are based on trying on both the 634 and 888. I do not see a ton of difference in fit from knee down. Are the 634s a looser fit? Yes but not by all that much and even less if you cuff like I do roughly 3-4”. Like I said the biggest difference for me was high rise vs medium rise. Maybe there really is not more room in the top block like you say but it definitely makes a big difference for me. I am a gym rat and have always had issues with Jean fit and having the high rise does make a huge difference for me especially once I start moving around standing up kneeling down. Stand still is not as noticeable but the 888s do not feel as tight and give me just enough space to move. Again this is just my personal observation and others may see this differently.

For those saying the 888 will fit slimmer that is only half ways true when comparing to the 634. Especially depending on what length you wear the jeans at. The biggest difference I think is the 888 has more room in the top block due to it being high rise. While the 888 does taper there is not a huge difference when comparing knee width and if you cuff or get your jeans tailored to a shorter length, then there is not as big a difference in hem width. There is still a taper there but not quite as much as the measurements make it out to be I feel. At least this is my perspective. For me, mid rise jeans just do not work because of the room I need in the top block along with thigh size.

Thoughts on what I should order?

As usual I am right between sizes. I am looking for the following:

Waist - 35.5 to 36”
Thigh - 14 to 14.3 ish

Would you order a size 36 and ask for the widest thigh possible or order a size 38 with the smallest waist possible based on the recently update size charts.

Another option would be to grab both and see what I get assigned and when they reach out with the specific either only have them ship the best option or just have both shipped and return the one that does not fit. I do live in the US so I believe I would need to pay the return fees.

Was not going to get this one after getting the purple one but felt a store credit from a return burning a hole in my pocket and ended up ordering this one from self edge. This stuff is addicting lol. These will be my first 2 flannels from IH and these lighter weight ones I feel will get more usage as it does not really get all that cold where I live.

@goosehd yes I have looked a the 888s and that is most likely what I am going to go with but looking at their size charts I seem to have the same issue although sometimes you can get a 36” waist with a 14” thigh which is closer

@goosehd I have read the recommendation to size slightly smaller in the waist as you can expect some stretch but what about thighs with any of the 21oz denim.

For me sizing down for the waist may make the thigh somewhat tight as that is what I primarily have issues with. I seem to be always caught between sizes because of my thighs.

For instance, I would love to have a 35” waist with a 14-14.2 thigh. Thighs usually puts me at a size 38. But if I could get close to the 35” waist and say end up with a 13.5-13.7 thigh would this work because of stretch?

For those of you that are in the US and like to order/have store credit/want to try these on, they are up on Selfedge website now which means they should have them at each of their locations I believe.

https://www.selfedge.com/iron-heart?product_id=205&sort=p.date_added&order=DESC&limit=60

Got my pair of pants in today and they are amazing. They are a hair too big but that is ok. I may try and shrink them a little if possible but these will likely become my lounging pants on the weekend as long as I do not have to go outside. I am not too far away from 100 degree weather. I wish I lives in an area that got a true 4 seasons or at least has a longer cooler season.