634s-SEXIH13 - 23oz Selvedge - Straight Fit

[Ponyboy312]

An IH Forums member said:

• "I might be the minority but I can't stand the 21oz denim. I Like me denim a) ridgid not soft and b) not treated with an anti fading chemical like the 634s"

Ponyboy asks: What anti-fading chemical is used on IH jeans? Is it all IH denim? Why is it used? (I tried searching thru the forums and google but found nothing.)

[Giles]

You won't get an answer because we won't tell you.

[mclaincausey]

Pony (great name btw, love The Outsiders) I think that a rigid, fast fading denim would not fit the IH ethic of durable, stubborn goods. Rigid means a shorter life, fast fades aren't stubborn, and plenty of other premium brands play that game.  And patience has its rewards, just look at some of the IH slow fades on this forum.

I'd say IH is the antithesis of Neil Young's lyric: "better to burn out then to fade away."

[seanocono]

^Well said

[Nerkg]

@Ponyboy312:

I might be the minority but I can't stand the 21oz denim. I Like me denim a) ridgid not soft and b) not treated with an anti fading chemical like the 634s

What anti-fading chemical is used on IH jeans? Is it all IH denim? Why is it used?

(I tried sear hing thru the forums and google but found nothing.)

I agree with most of this.
I don't need a fast fader but rigidity is the key.. And ridgid dosent mean less durable, in theory you could wash rigid jeans a bunch and they would be soft.
But ironheart are my favorite brand. The 18oz raw is the perfect middle ground if you want faster fading, high contrast and ridgid. Won't be rigid like somet but it's damn good denim. My 17oz jawns are also very rigid and not treated with chemical

[Ponyboy312]

Thanks to mic and nerk.  Half thanks to Mr. Giles for keeping cards close to chest re: trade secrets (since your response did answer my question in part since there was a tacit admission anti-fade chems are used in IH denim).

[xtcclassic]

…only in the flagship 21oz denim.

[Nerkg]

@xtcclassic:

…only in the flagship 21oz denim.

Possibly..

[Giles]

@Ponyboy312:

Thanks to mic and nerk.  Half thanks to Mr. Giles for keeping cards close to chest re: trade secrets (since your response did answer my question in part since there was a tacit admission anti-fade chems are used in IH denim).

Nothing tacit about it.  We have never made a secret of the fact that we treat the 21oz denim to retard it's fading.  What is a secret is what we do.

[Ponyboy312]

Is there a reason the 21oz indigo gets it and the other jeans dont?

[Giles]

Haraki's first denim for Iron Heart and his baby.  He decided he wanted to retard the fading, so he did.  I've never bothered asking him why, it just is what it is.  He asked me the other day if I wanted to release some jeans without  the treatment.  I said no, mainly because I did not want to mess with his baby.  Plus there's a shit load of other denim available now or soon to be available.

[Snowy]

Without hijacking the 23oz denim thread (a major love of mine), I love the slow fading and major softness of the 21oz flagship. I know the 21oz's are going to be around for MANY years and still look nearly new; that durability is what I love.

THIS 23oz denim is really rich, it feels soft and stiff at the same time and has so many hues, that and it gets electric blue fades. Would still buy another pair of this 23oz

[Nerkg]

@Snowy:

Who wouldn't? It would sell like hotcakes for years to come

[tatmantall]

Me too

[mclaincausey]

Anyone have any compromising pictures of Kiya or something?

[tatmantall]

Hahaha

[Nerkg]

I don't get the reason for not re running, I can see if they didn't sell in the past. But wtf? Mabey pride. He said no so that's it.

[Seul]

@mclaincausey:

Anyone have any compromising pictures of Kiya or something?

Yeah but I can't edit myself out of 'm…

[mclaincausey]

Oink

[Nerkg]

Sqeel like a pig