Books

[Giles]

I think you will manage, but he does talk some heavy shit in places. He also makes some brilliant observations (apologies to my American friends):

[endo]

I don't know this one (on finding the ship) , but there are lots of good books on Shakleton and the Endurance trip. For those who haven't read any I would recommend Shakleton's own description. Here in a German version with a foreword by Reinhold Messner:

[ARNC]

Not Shackleton, but you’ve reminded me that I really ought to get hold of a copy of this. I’ve thought about it many times and never followed through. Cherry-Garrard is buried in the same churchyard as my parents.

[endo]

That's a good tip, @ARNC . Don't know it yet.

[Giles]

One of the interesting discussions in Finding Endurance is the authors analysis of the difference in character/motivation between Scott and Shackleton. That Scott played a finite game, and Shackleton an infinite game.... Not that I knew what either were 2 days ago......

[endo]

Scott played a finite game, and Shackleton an infinite game

Haven't heard of the terms before, but the outcomes of both expeditions explain the meaning.

[SKT]

@Giles Humility…one of the bedrocks of American history and culture.

[endo]

reading this, and listening to this

[mclaincausey]

@SKT said in Books:

@Giles Humility…one of the bedrocks of American history and culture.

Leaning more into humiliation these days

[SKT]

@mclaincausey truth

[mclaincausey]

Thanks to @Giles I have started the audiobook of Finding Endurance and while I am early, find it well-written and I am also enjoying narrator Saul Reichlin's lovely English accent. I also found a free audiobook edition on Audible of Endurance: Shackleton's Incredible Voyage by Alfred Lansing from 1959 that I added to my list but have not started.

[Giles]

Thanks @Bridger

[Bridger]

Have you started/finished it @Giles?

Thoughts?

[Giles]

One of my measures for how much I am enjoying/appreciating/learning from a book, is how much I feel the need to read sections out-loud to whomever is in my orbit. I read the first 3 sentences of the preface out to P, I suspect they will not be the last......

[mclaincausey]

Speaking of violence.... You want violence, try reading this one I finished last night: Hannibal: Rome's Greatest Enemy by Philip Freeman. The era's casual genocide, infanticide, or butchery of as many as 60,000 soldiers in single battles are mind-boggling. The strategic brilliance of Hannibal is so impressive. It is interesting to speculate, as the author does, about how different the world would be had he taken to Rome after destroying their army in the Battle of Cannae and laid siege. It could well have been the end of the Rome in 216 BC. It's truly hard to even get my head around that. Constantinople fell in 1453 AD. Imagine almost 1700 years of Roman influence suddenly gone. We wouldn't be speaking the same languages or anything.

[Giles]

On my list

[Bridger]

Thanks @Giles - another on my reading pile

[mclaincausey]

@Giles what a damn book was Finding Endurance.

Shackleton was a high caliber human being. An unbelievable story. I welcome the author’s personal biographical details and broader observations as well.

[AdamJ]

haha I had not seen this thread till now, I am half way through this atm @Giles

[AdamJ]

Just finished this prior, which was good