Motor Sport
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@Giles but you’re spot on. I was replying to @Tago-Mago ; Pirelli is more than capable of making tires that could go much longer than theirs are going (say, a 40-lap Medium for example) but FIA (and presumably MBS) won’t allow it. They said as much when Pirelli took over in 2011: they had eliminated in-race refueling, and wanted tire replacement to drive pit stops. Since it is a team sport, to make sure that the strategy and pit stop aspects of the sport were tested, gracefully degrading tires was what Pirelli were expected to deliver.
I get that, but getting tires that degrade in the right way per track and conditions to spice races up is not an easy task. I think part of Pireli’s responsibility as the supplier of tires is to take the heat for FIA’s decisions about tire compounds and degradation when they don’t work out.
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This stint cap is the dumbest rule yet
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Another disaster class from McLaren strategy.... The trend is being so cautious not to appear to be favoring a driver that they wind up fucking them both over. It's really laughable at this point that they are keeping Max in this thing. Think about what Lando will have to overcome should he secure P3 or better next race:
At least 40 points lost this season that weren’t his fault, mostly can be tied to the team: bad strategy here (3-6 points), bad qualifying run plan plus poor pit stop at Baku (4-6 points), DSQ from Vegas due to a needlessly aggressive ride height setup (18 points), mechanical DNF at Zandvoort (18 points). I’m not counting the collision with OP in the ATX sprint but you could argue to do so, and you could also argue Max cost him P1 Miami running him off the track—so this is pretty conservative.
Should he get P3 or better next weekend to seal WDC, I think it will be a remarkable display given how handicapped he was this year. Hopefully Will Courtenay will turn around this mess of a strategy operation next season.
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@mclaincausey I think that is something that they have to commit to. Ensure that Lando get’s P3 or Oscar takes it all.
One fuck up and Max walks away…
As the saying goes “shit or get off the pot”. Those guys need to decide how they want this season to end.
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McMuppets complete brain explosion to fuck the strategy (do the maths nimrods).
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Stella said something like “we didn’t expect them to pit under the safety car” as though that was a valid excuse. Like dude, incident at lap 8, 25 lap tire limit, 57 lap race. This shit isn’t hard. As @Bridger said, “do the math.” The fact that Stella said that out loud like it wasn’t something to be incredibly mortified about is wild to me and makes me think he isn’t team principal caliber. They built a great car, maybe he should move to tech leadership because he clearly doesn’t have a handle on strategy and it seems like a TP should understand everything at least at a high level.
At least they’ll have Courtenay next season when it may be too late if they don’t nail the regs but Singh and Stella just don’t get it. And papaya rules are idiotic.
The pattern with McLaren strategy, and I’ve now seen enough that I’m confident about this pattern, is that they are too conservative, they don’t cope with changing conditions, and they are terrible under pressure.
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Saw an interesting discussion concerning the last race where the hypothetical was laid out: Max needs 1st with Lando placing 4th to win the WDC. Oscar needs 1st with Lando placing 5th. Lando needs to place 3rd to win the WDC.
If Max is in 1st, Oscar 2nd with no hope of passing Max, and Lando is in 4th….what does McLaren do? Do they order Oscar to help Lando in securing 3rd…or is everyone on their own?
The way that this season has progressed has proven anything is possible.
"I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)
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@goosehd I think we all know what McLaren would do: cover their eyes.
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@Tago-Mago Maybe lewis's old team, i wouldn't be too surprised if a Merc made contact with Max in the finale....
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by the way: I'm not hearing what I would consider to be a sufficient amount of fuss over the 25-lap stint rule. Has this happened before? Why ONLY in Qatar? If they wanted a two-stopper, why not just enforce 2 stops like they've done earlier this season (Monaco)? Did Pirelli admit they have some kind of design flaw? I'm curious if the teams provided feedback about this, it seems like everyone's just like "okay, new rule, we'll go along with it", but it really screws with strategy, or at least highlights some teams lack thereof.
edit: i just saw they did an 18 lap stint cap a couple of years ago, i dont remember that at all. I guess this is just a thing they pull out of their asses every so often just to keep it interesting.
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@WhiskeySandwich the rationale for it was that the circuit has these huge pieces of "gravel" that are very sharp and they found slices in the rubber of the tires. This was an unexpected development so they added that rule late as a safety measure. It's not like they could reformulate the compound or add kevlar belts at that point, so I think it was the right move.
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@mclaincausey Seems to me like its just a thing of chance that they saw an opportunity to slap a rule on. I read it was just based on tire deg last time.... anyway, I thought the idea was to avoid the gravel. Seems like it is a case of "we have trouble here, so we'll make it your problem"...Where every other time it's just an accepted risk.
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@WhiskeySandwich I'm with you on this - the rule completely ruined the race and made it artificial. Yes it made it exciting for Verstapen to win - but he wouldnt of won if it was for the safety car/25 lap rule - and I dont believe it was a master strategic move by RB - every team apart from Maclaren came in.
For me, F1 recently feels like it makes up the rules every race.
And I can not believe that they say they can't afford to have paid stewards (F1 has so much excessive money spent on it) - it would make so much sense, to have the same stewards each race - then any penalty one week shoud be the same the next week!
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@steve_ironheart -
It’s a garbage track but I see no reason to disbelieve the gravel narrative.
Think it, be it.
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@Steve …I agree about your strategy comment, but what I do question is McLaren’s decision not to. When the whole field seemingly comes to the same decision then you have to wonder how they came to theirs.
"I don't give a shit what anyone else is doing, we will do what is best for us and our customers" - Giles P. :)
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@goosehd I can only think they were worried about having to stack them, then Norris would probably of dropped behind 1 or 2 drivers - so they are thinking its not fair to hinder one driver? I dont know though, I would imagine Norris coming out say 4th at 7 laps is better than coming out 5th at 47 laps!
@mclaincausey I agree, I think that was the reason - still why use sharp tyre ripping gravel?
