Tagged Size vs. Actual Size (Sizing Questions & Advice)
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Making a pair of jeans is not a science. Every fabric behaves differently, even rolls of the same fabric have slightly different characteristics. Combined with the fact that our jeans are effectively hand cut and hand sewn, if you find 2 pairs exactly the same, that is more by luck than judgement. We obviously try and get tagsize to accurately reflct actuals, but sometimes it just does not work out. One of the resaons we put comprehensive sizing charts up here is to make it easier for you.
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Making a pair of jeans is not a science.
woudn´t have said that, but at least its not rocket science.
but still, thats not the point. if you get 70% of all your jeans out of the factory with a tagged and measured size w34, you are definitely able to squeeze the others out with a tagged and measured waist of w34 as well and not changing worlds and make a w33 out of a w34 or the other way around.
the other way would be ok as well i suppose. making all jeans stretch to fit and releasing every jeans tagge w34, measured w33 IF they´ll stretch.
sure the waist table is awesome and everyone is very thankful for that chart, but actually I (personally) don´t feel like buying the last 3 IH jeans in w34 but taking a pair of busters or 666 in 36 or even 38 just because they measurements are off, even if put down so in the sizing table.
lets put if this way. i don´t see the problem -> which shoudn´t mean that there isn´t one.maybe a dwarf collecting an inch of cloth but only from special fabrics?
sorry for the sarcasm..Simon.
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As looking at meas. looks like these will shrink to tagged size, which is the case with at least SC 1947's. (and I believe also with other japanese brands, unlike Levi's which shrinks from tagged size.)
Now I need just to get them WT's on me legs for a test ride and save money…
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Making a pair of jeans is not a science. Every fabric behaves differently, even rolls of the same fabric have slightly different characteristics. Combined with the fact that our jeans are effectively hand cut and hand sewn, if you find 2 pairs exactly the same, that is more by luck than judgement. We obviously try and get tagsize to accurately reflct actuals, but sometimes it just does not work out. One of the resaons we put comprehensive sizing charts up here is to make it easier for you.
That is most certainly appreciated come time to make a purchasing decision. I'm sure I'm not the only one who, at some point, has been bitten by a retailer's lack of information pertaining to the sizing of the items they are selling. Furthermore, with the addition of hassle-free returns and seemingly instantaneous response to inquiries, there's no real need to feel anxious when selecting sizes and styles.
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Go tell that to Diesel or Levis or practically any other jean maker beacuse their tag size variance is plus or minus 4 inches around tag size…............
well, but truth be told: you don´t compare ironheart with levis or diesel, not in facts of toughness, not in facts of quality and not in facts of pricing. so in my opinion you should not compare them in this case as well.
(do those jeans being produced by chinese mass production really differ up to 10cm in waist?
)I guess I better be quiet now.. don´t wanna get banned
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Bam - form an orderly queue
http://www.ironheart.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=199
No fit pics on the site yet, but jeez if you don't know what a Buster looks like, what you doing here?
Ready to ship now?
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SimonQ
so if IH makes buster indigos in sanforized denim and sizes them
or a 666 in raw denim
then takes the same jean and overdyes them
which is like a hot wash and results in shrinkage
should they then resize the overdyed jean to reflect the post-shrink size?
that doesn't make much sense to me… they started out as the same jean -
@SimonQ.:
I guess I better be quiet now.. don´t wanna get banned
Well the fact is that we try and get the waist size the same. But sometimes we get it wrong (for whatever reason). My decision is that once me make a jean, all reruns of that jean will be as close as possible to the initial run. Yes, I could change the IHXB01 to measure closer to actual tagsize in the next run, but my decision is to leave it the same, so that people who have boiught size X will know when they re-order size X next time, it will be the same size.
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^^^
i was that close to putting up this comment but didn't want to mess with the crazy Administrator
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@SimonQ.:
I guess I better be quiet now.. don´t wanna get banned
That's not how it works around here lad!.. As long as you're respectful, you can ask and criticise everything!.. Well, excluding Paula's fine looks…
Absolutely correct Seul, all constructive comments and criticism more than welcomed, and anything that helps us realise stuff that we need to clarify or change is really helpful
- And if anyone disses me, I just send in the Belgian Missile…
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..someone tell me this eventually gets easier!
Well, at some point you will know yourself and what you want. (fitwise and sizewise)
It's never easy to buy jawns on-line. Many times it's hit'n'miss. Especially if you're sizing down, which is IMHO wrong, as clothes are supposed to fit "off the rack" not to stretch them to fit. If one has to size down to achieve desired fit, I'd say the cut is wrong for you.
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i disagree with this statement. when i buy jeans i want them to fit me the way i want in the long run, not right off the rack. if you have an active lifestyle and wear your jeans ALOT then they are going to stretch, and mine have always stretched out to be too big and there was nothing i could do to get them back to the original fit. whenever i size down on pants that i know will stretch, then the waist always ends up being exactly how i want it to fit and it STAYS that way. the key is checking all of the other measurements and making sure they are to your liking because the rise, leg opening, and thigh aren't going to change much. if you can be uncomfortable for a few hours and get the exact fit you want that is going to keep fitting the way you want, then sizing down is the way to go 100%. check fit pics i've posted for reference if you like.
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riff, I can also understand this, and I've seen your fitpics.
This ofcourse depends on everybodys measurements and bodytype. I for example couldn't have sized down on my 634s due to my meaty arse and thighs. Waist hasn't stretched much. And like you said, the key is to check EVERY measurement. I still thinks clothes (in general) aren't supposed to be "stretch-to-fit" (and on a second thought I think I was trying to speak about sizing down to achieve skinny fit on straight cut jeans)But as I have said before, to each their own.
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@riffblaster:
i disagree with this statement. when i buy jeans i want them to fit me the way i want in the long run, not right off the rack. if you have an active lifestyle and wear your jeans ALOT then they are going to stretch, and mine have always stretched out to be too big and there was nothing i could do to get them back to the original fit. whenever i size down on pants that i know will stretch, then the waist always ends up being exactly how i want it to fit and it STAYS that way. the key is checking all of the other measurements and making sure they are to your liking because the rise, leg opening, and thigh aren't going to change much. if you can be uncomfortable for a few hours and get the exact fit you want that is going to keep fitting the way you want, then sizing down is the way to go 100%. check fit pics i've posted for reference if you like.
quoted for truth…
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@riffblaster:
i disagree with this statement. when i buy jeans i want them to fit me the way i want in the long run, not right off the rack. if you have an active lifestyle and wear your jeans ALOT then they are going to stretch, and mine have always stretched out to be too big and there was nothing i could do to get them back to the original fit. whenever i size down on pants that i know will stretch, then the waist always ends up being exactly how i want it to fit and it STAYS that way. the key is checking all of the other measurements and making sure they are to your liking because the rise, leg opening, and thigh aren't going to change much. if you can be uncomfortable for a few hours and get the exact fit you want that is going to keep fitting the way you want, then sizing down is the way to go 100%. check fit pics i've posted for reference if you like.
quoted for truth…
your truth isn't same as mine.
