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Iron Heart X Simmons Bilt Horsehide Western Shirt - The Pale Rider - Natural

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    weftyarn
    Iron Heart Deity
    Joined: 8 Nov 2020

    That thing looks like it was made for you @weegeebee1
    Perfect fit and great color!

    Use it or lose it.

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      louisbosco
      啓蒙家
      @weegeebee1
      Joined: 21 Feb 2013

      @weegeebee1 wish mine looked as good.

      "Loyalty is a two way street. If i'm asking for it from you, then you're getting it from me."

      • Harvey Specter
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        weegeebee1
        Haraki san Student
        @louisbosco
        Joined: 6 Jul 2022

        @louisbosco you looking for darker color or don't like the fit of yours? The color will come with time. hang in the sun once we get to warmer temps and it literally will change overnight. A good 4-5 hours on each side is enough to get it going.

        the fit is tricky, I won't lie. We'll see how it turns out after a couple good wearing seasons. If it softens up to what I'm used to with most veg tan leathers, I think it'll be top 10 things ever LOL. But right now, it's very turtle shell like. There's very little room for margin between too tight, just right, and too big. Compared to some of my UHF where the ptp can vary by a full inch and I'm good, this has got like maybe .5 inch max range to fit right.

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          SonnyTheElder
          Joined: 13 Oct 2022

          Treated or untreated, these shirts look amazing!

          Sonny

          In search of:
          888: XHSmb, 21mb (sz. 36-38 unhemmed)

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            louisbosco
            啓蒙家
            @weegeebee1
            Joined: 21 Feb 2013

            @weegeebee1 don't get me wrong, I love mine to bits. I just think mine has evolved in a very different way compared to yours.

            I use mine a lot for riding, so they do occasionally come into contact with rain. that's also why I think it hasn't got the sheen and shine as compared to yours.
            Also, riding in a tropical climate, the sweat also plays a huge part in the evolution along the collars. it tends to be darker around those contact points. but just like you, I'm still waiting for it to soften up.

            "Loyalty is a two way street. If i'm asking for it from you, then you're getting it from me."

            • Harvey Specter
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              Autorotate
              Joined: 6 Feb 2021

              Has anyone soaked this jacket? I’ve been doing research (Fedora Lounge) on what guys will do with vintage and repro horse jackets. I was surprised to learn that this is common. Machine washes and Dryer cycles!!! Whoa!!
              I spoke to another forum member here who advised against getting this shirt wet. Mostly to do with the stitching construction (puckering) and possible uneven stretching and drying of the shirt.

              In an effort to get a custom, form fit - and to soften the leather and encourage draping, my vision:
              -using a hair drier, hand apply Pecards to exterior of the jacket. Liberal amounts. Wear for a full day.
              -cold soak jacket. Just to inundate with water.
              -drain tub water, roll shirt up in a towel to remove excess water.
              -immediately wear the shirt, with a thin long sleeve t shirt. Wear until dry. Hike, calisthenics, general movement.
              -paying attention to sleeve length, placket puckering, collar shape, etc. stretching, pulling… whatever it takes.

              Here’s my rationale…. If this jacket is uncomfortable I just will not wear it.

              Am I nuts? Impatient? Will I ruin the jacket? Or will this yield the potential of this shirt as the most spectacular, fitted, second skin garment?

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                Nik
                Raw and Unwashed
                Joined: 12 Nov 2020

                In theory the process you describe accelerates what would happen over time with wear. Rain, activity, etc. I personally appreciate these sorts of processes and think it is cool to play around with the garments to test what they do. My vote is to go for it and document the results. But then I have a brand new pair of 21oz denim in the wash right now with some grey dye, and I've also bleached Iron Heart before with results I am very happy with, so I am probably an outlier.

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                  Boyo
                  The Unwoven
                  Joined: 18 Oct 2017

                  There is a chance you can ruin the jacket, but there is also the chance you get the exact fit you want from a soak.. My thoughts would be to only wet/soak the areas you want to change.. ie the shoulders or the collar.. then wear it dry and condition after dry if necessary.. i would not soak the entire shirt.. at least to start, and i would not put it in the washing machine. id wear it in the shower.

                  Lively Up Yourself

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                    louisbosco
                    啓蒙家
                    Joined: 21 Feb 2013

                    I mean I've rode in thunderstorms where I've come off dripping wet. does that count? 🤣

                    "Loyalty is a two way street. If i'm asking for it from you, then you're getting it from me."

                    • Harvey Specter
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                      Bigdog
                      Haraki san Prodigy
                      Joined: 6 Jan 2023

                      What about going outside to do a Hike, calisthenics, general movement while it’s raining, then continue same while it’s drying.

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                        Autorotate
                        Joined: 6 Feb 2021

                        Thanks for the initial responses.

                        @Nik ive been appreciating your bleached jeans. So good! Interested to see how the dye job come out.

                        This will ultimately be a moto-riding jacket, and I’d wear it never fearing for foul weather. So yes, accelerating the process.

                        The issue I see with “spot -wetting” is the uneven shades that could result.

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                          Autorotate
                          Joined: 6 Feb 2021

                          @Bigdog i like to do things on my schedule, not mother nature’s. Hahaha. But yes, a perfect idea.

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                            Boyo
                            The Unwoven
                            @Autorotate
                            Joined: 18 Oct 2017

                            @Autorotate said in Iron Heart X Simmons Bilt Horsehide Western Shirt - The Pale Rider - Natural:

                            Thanks for the initial responses.

                            The issue I see with “spot -wetting” is the uneven shades that could result.

                            you're right about the water stains, you could do a light rub down of the entire shirt with a wet towel to set the water stain for the full shirt then fully soak the areas the need to be further broken in..

                            Lively Up Yourself

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                              Matt
                              見習いボス
                              Joined: 4 Oct 2011

                              Horses seem to do ok in the rain so I’d imagine the shirt will be ok as well.

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                                weegeebee1
                                Haraki san Student
                                Joined: 6 Jul 2022

                                @Autorotate I wouldn't apply pecards and then get wet. Pecards is pretty much vaseline with some extra oils. So that will repel water. Not totally waterproof, but definitely make it harder to fully absorb. Which brings me to my next point. If you get it wet, make sure it is fully wet and soaked all over. Don't try spot treatment and that kind of thing. Whatever evolution is going to happen, you want it all over to make it look more natural and even.

                                You probably read some of my posts on TFL. I go by "Toomanyhatsonlyonehead" over there. I've washed many, many leather jackets, put in dryer full blast, etc. I haven't had a "ruin" yet, but I definitely can see ways it could go wrong. The biggest issue with doing with jackets is the zipper. It will cause waves since the zipper doesn't shrink with the leather.

                                Also, I wouldn't try the wet and dry method with the pale rider unless it's at least a size too big. I don't think this shirt will wear comfortable skin tight. The shirt pocket, placket, etc. adds a lot of thickness, and some of the edges almost feel sharp if that makes sense. I'd be curious to know more about the kind of tanning they did to the leather. It doesn't feel like veg tan to me. It has more CXL type qualities, so maybe it's a combo, or maybe it's veg tan, but there's some sort of top coat, pigment finish, etc. Anyway, I'm really curious to see the journey over the next couple years with lots of wears. I think those wearing on motorcycles are going to speed up that process with the exposure to elements, all that motion, etc. vs someone just wearing around the house like me.

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                                  louisbosco
                                  啓蒙家
                                  Joined: 21 Feb 2013

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                                  @Autorotate

                                  "Loyalty is a two way street. If i'm asking for it from you, then you're getting it from me."

                                  • Harvey Specter
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                                    Nik
                                    Raw and Unwashed
                                    Joined: 12 Nov 2020

                                    That is looking so great @louisbosco

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                                      louisbosco
                                      啓蒙家
                                      Joined: 21 Feb 2013

                                      @Nik cheers mate.

                                      "Loyalty is a two way street. If i'm asking for it from you, then you're getting it from me."

                                      • Harvey Specter
                                      last edited by 18 Mar 2023, 11:32 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
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                                        Autorotate
                                        Joined: 6 Feb 2021

                                        @louisbosco looks killer man.

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                                          louisbosco
                                          啓蒙家
                                          @Autorotate
                                          Joined: 21 Feb 2013

                                          @Autorotate cheers mate, sharing so that you can see how different lifestyles evolve this shirt.

                                          Mine has just been through a second mustang paste coating

                                          "Loyalty is a two way street. If i'm asking for it from you, then you're getting it from me."

                                          • Harvey Specter
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