Coronavirus (Covid-19) Discussion
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Received a copy of Central government's 5 stage phased lifting of restrictions today ahead of the announcement on Sunday.
Basically, if all goes well stage 5 will be implemented on 20th August, it looks almost like life pre covid.
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The goal here is to achieve the same by June 15th. Schools are open again from this Monday. We’ve been in lockdown since 12.3.2020 and managed containment quite early though. This was largely due to early action, high levels of compliance and a small, relatively thinly spread population.
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I’m sorry to hear that buddy. There is now a debate here about how necessary the magnitude of the measures adopted were. I find it rather silly. They have done what they were intended to do, so if they were heavy handed, then so be it. Better that than too little too late. There is also a concern about a backlash. That people will now think it is all over and relax too much, leading to a new epidemic wave and further lockdowns. Interesting times, and all that…
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Local health services in our are (and undoubtedly others) are very fearful of a much more intense 2nd wave. From what I've observed, I suspect a large part of society have had covid with few or no symptoms, and for a smaller percentage, there will continue to be high levels of deaths, relative to the high risk cohort.
Hindsight is never helpful. Decisions aren't made on hindsight, but politicians and the media will be as opportunist as ever.
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id be curious to hear what specific safety measures will be in place at your school Neph.. there is endless debate here on how to re-open the schools.. in NY they cancelled the current school year ( only remote/internet based lessons currently) and are even unsure about returning in September.
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The goal here is to achieve the same by June 15th. Schools are open again from this Monday. We’ve been in lockdown since 12.3.2020 and managed containment quite early though.
Wow, Monday, @neph93? We aren't going back until January here. (I teach at a college so online isn't that much of an issue.) I haven't heard about my daughter's school. To be honest, I assume it will be open in September, though. So many folks use school as child care it is hard to restart things without it.
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id be curious to hear what specific safety measures will be in place at your school Neph.. there is endless debate here on how to re-open the schools.. in NY they cancelled the current school year ( only remote/internet based lessons currently) and are even unsure about returning in September.
Last week we received online coursing from the govt in how it is going to be. There are a lot of measures. Here are some of them:
- No more than 20 in a room at the same time.
- One metre apart at all times
- All classes taught in class groups, not mixed groups. Elective classes still taught online.
- Minimal room changes
- Compressed timetable to minimise contact and allow room sanitization between lessons
- Public areas (cantina, library etc) limited or closed
- There is a complicated protocol for attendance and what to do if you feel unwell
And a whole load of other stuff.
It should be noted that the situation here is not grim, even less so where I live. Nationally, the first wave is on its last legs, the R number has been less than one for a month and is currently estimated at 0.4. The hospitals have at no point been overwhelmed and it has been made clear what an unacceptable rise in infection will look like and what will happen if and when it occurs. There are also only 5 weeks of the year left before summer break.
With all due respect, Norway is a country of 5m people with a trusted govt and a compliant population. The govt have been given broad and far reaching emergency powers for a rolling period, and have used them. We have a well funded welfare state and a large emergency fund based on oil wealth which we are utilising to the max (one billion NOK a day, apparently). It all looks very different here than other countries and we are very fortunate at the moment. I hope that continues.
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Same here… Schools are re-opening but in a limited way... Shops are re-opening... No bars or restaurants though... And we're allowed to have a group of four people we can meet, it always has to be the same four...
Shops are re-opening on Monday which, very co-incidentally, is when my next week of vacation starts... Guess what I'll be doing?.. Fuck all... I ain't going out... Eagerly awaiting Lockdown 2.0...
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As keyworkers, our son has gone to primary school throughout this. He is 5 and most of the 20+ children attending his school are under 7. Herding cats, that's pretty much what the teachers have been doing! There haven't been any covid cases among the pupils, teachers, other school staff, parents and carers, or their families reported at any stage.
I've yet to be informed of anyone I know in my personal spere having tested positive. A cousin was very unwell and isolated at home with his family, but the NHS wouldn't test him, so we won't know for sure.
Have many of you been able to venture further from your homes than local shops etc? I have to drive around the Borough that I work in, which veers from high level deprivation, to multimillion pound houses, and I can tell you that uniquivicollay a large number of people haven't been social distancing for some time. People gathering in parks, at the seafront, house parties etc.
Oh well, at least today in the UK we are celebrating how good we are at letting the Russians and Americans win wars for us. Our street has a party later today. Bunting and G&T at the ready folks…
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The French gov has split the country in green and red zones. Green zones are coming out of confinement this Monday, with staggered school reopening. We're in the Paris suburbs, so a red zone and there's no school reopening planned till June. The silver lining is that red-zone schools will be able to learn from the example of the others.
France is not served by its very centralized education system here. The schools administrations are used to executing precisely the directives from the central administration and there's no tradition of trying and experimenting. Now they are being asked to reopen but crucially they are not being given a step-by-step book of how to do so. It's going to be, shall we say, interesting.
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Oh well, at least today in the UK we are celebrating how good we are at letting the Russians and Americans win wars for us.
I think that most people would agree that wars are not good things, so celebrating the end of something bad is surely no bad thing.
I'm personally happy to raise a glass of something to the many people of many nations who played a part in bringing that particular global stupidity to an end.
I'll probably also raise a glass of something at the end of the current pandemic.
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We will definitely be joining our street party. I was just mindful that as an international forum, some members if not all, will have had loved ones on all sides of VE day.
My grandad never celebrated. He lost all but one of his childhood friends dropping troops off on Gold and Omaha beaches. I'll be honouring him and his friends for sure.
I think at the end of covid-19 I'll actually stop raising a glass!
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Ah, one billion NOK a day, the Norway sovereign wealth fund! Looks like a well thought out plan. I wish we can get our ducks in a row as neatly (and quickly) in the Great White North :-X.
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Thanks for the explanation Neph.. most of those precautions are also included in the planning taking place here, as well as continuing the remote learning and probably making it a "permanent" part of the school curriculum.
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Thanks for the explanation Neph.. most of those precautions are also included in the planning taking place here, as well as continuing the remote learning and probably making it a "permanent" part of the school curriculum.
Yeah, after the announcement by the government yesterday, I have received the schools plan today. It is actually a very modest reopening.
Many classes (including most of mine), will be continue to be taught online. The major difference is I will be able to tutor small groups in person on demand and in accordance with my existing timetable.
While I’m pleased to have that opportunity, and am fortunate to live very close to my place of work, it is still going to be a PitA, and possibly not an improvement on the conditions of the last few months.
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australia has a 3 step plan to restart things. i shall not go into the details but it starts small from home gatherings being increased from 2 people, cafes, shops and restaurants and eventually to pubs, clubs and interstate travel by august they reckon. domestic borders are still shut and intenational travel doesn't seem to be anywhere soon for the time being..
