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    Iron Heart Fall/Winter 2025 Live Reveal - Thursday 12th of June at 1700BST

    Coronavirus (Covid-19) Discussion

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    • Stuart.TS
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      @ROman what a great friend you are being. We will weather this storm, and relationships will be even stronger. You're a good person dude.

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      • dinobarnesberlinD
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        They will slowly lift some bans here in Berlin next week.
        Hair salons, car dealerships, bicycle shops will re-open.
        stores up to 800m2 like Media Market etc.
        Slowly flattening the curve finally

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        • JDelageJ
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          France is really not doing well. Thanks god the health system is coping with the medical emergency, but the distance schooling is a cluster, mayors take absurd decision in the hope of not being blamed, and the government has no plan on how to get out of the confinement. The total debt burden, which has crawled up since the 70's to reach 100% of GDP last year, is now at 115%! This does not factor in all the associated "stimuli" to come after the re-opening nor the tremendous decrease in tax proceeds. This is going to be crippling for the French population and businesses.

          French people are still largely supporting their government, but most have no idea what's coming.

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          • dinobarnesberlinD
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            I have a feeling that governments will probably be using this whole situation in their favor to some degree.
            I see some prices on certain goods increasing during the last weeks, and I don't think they will return to normal even after this situation is over.

            But on a good note….my IHSH-96 came in this morning:)
            bad news.....had to send it right back....too small 😢

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            • JDelageJ
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              Effective (net) prices on everything are going to have to go up to pay for all this. The governments have to pay eventually for all those expenses and in Europe they can most effectively do that via inflation (unlikely) or sales tax increases, both of which will result in price hikes.

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              • GraemeG
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                There's a somewhat pessimistic piece in The Guardian, which says that we're a long way from seeing the end of the Pandemic. The UK needs thirty times as many people to be infected (or a vaccine) to build herd immunity to a level we could consider it contained.

                https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/16/number-coronavirus-pandemic

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                • JDelageJ
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                  There's been papers reporting on people coming out of the hospital and coming down with a new bout of the disease. It's stil WIP, but I'm aware of reported cases in Italy and China. If true this is bad news for the entire "herd immunity" approach.

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                  • Stuart.TS
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                    Confuse and disorientate, that's the job of Governments and the media at the moment, and it infuriates me. I'd like to hear the experiences of other professionals working in fields affected by covid 19…health professionals, social care professionals, morticians and embalmers who are members of this forum.

                    In the East of England, the facts are that the pandemic is not what is being reported in the media. It just simply hasn't hit that hard. What is having an impact is the residual impact, the effects of preparing for mass treatment of covid 19, wards being cleared in anticipation, then being left 50% empty as the volume of admissions are not the same as in a few densely populated cities.

                    I don't know what to say anymore. My wife has high level conference calls with public health England and the DH&SC, and the information and strategies being implemented on the ground are NOT the same as those being reported on the news.

                    I could objectively and succinctly state what the UK Government's strategy is for the next 6 months, but there is no point, no one takes notice, and just defers to the media for their interpretation of what's happening.

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                    • neph93N
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                      So is it the government that are the problem, or the media?

                      “Some of those that work forces
                      Are the same that burn crosses”

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                      • dinobarnesberlinD
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                        I don't/cant believe the numbers coming out of certain countries at all, and yes China Im looking at you.

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                        • Stuart.TS
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                          @neph93 it is both. The UK Government has a strategy that it has stuck to since pretty much week 1 of the covid 19 measures. I wasn't privvy to it at that time. The strategy is to drip feed information and restrictions at intervals, the fundamental basis of which is not to overwhelm the public psyche and risk non compliance or worse, public discourse. That would risk both public health and the Government's hold on public opinion and authority. Because the media isn't given this information (or if they are, it has been leaked) they have to scratch around and speak to the multitude of 'experts' out there, often conflicting information, and come up with there own theories about what's going on. The outcome - a very confused public that will willingly hand consent to the Government (basic transactional analysis - treat us like kids, we'll act like kids and look to mummy and daddy for answers).

                          Government know the time frames that they will be implementing over the next 18 months. They have pretty much published them in certain guidance. The interesting stuff to read is published by the office of national statistics (the ONS) they are purely data lead, and aren't afraid of holding the Government and NHS to account for misreporting.

                          Behavioural sciences have been integral to informing Government policy, as much as data from public health England. The Behavioural Insights Team  https://www.bi.team provided advice to Government to enforce social change such as social distancing. Health and social care lobbied for social distancing to be called 'physical distancing' as the adopted term is a bit too 'quite weapons for silent wars' erode society-esque - physical distance is different to social distance - which is suggestive of changing how people relate to each other, not just their physical proximity.

                          Just as psychologists and behavioural scientists took advantage of the research undertaken during wartime, the same is happening now with covid 19.

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                          • neph93N
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                            That is fascinating @Stuart.T Thank you.

                            “Some of those that work forces
                            Are the same that burn crosses”

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                              @Stuart.T:

                              I don't know what to say anymore. My wife has high level conference calls with public health England and the DH&SC, and the information and strategies being implemented on the ground are NOT the same as those being reported on the news.

                              I’ve noticed this as well — the reaction doesn’t match the outcome and the hospitals here are not being overwhelmed. A lot of the data that came out in the past month or so has been greatly exaggerated, such as the one from the IHME. I understand that modeling is only as useful as the information you put in, but the IHME’s initial high death toll numbers included social distancing. They’ve since revised their numbers and they look closer to a bad flu season. I don’t know who to trust.

                              Locally, the majority of those that died from Covid 19 were in long term care facilities which I find infuriating. These are the most vulnerable and they weren’t protected.

                              Either way, I agree with [mention]DougNg [/mention]
                              about the possibility of civil unrest. The lockdowns, although necessary for the time being, are creating unintended consequences. If you’re on the bottom rung of the economic ladder and have no job, or the means to feed your family you’ll eventually resort to desperate measures. Protests are already happening across the country and it’s a powder keg waiting to go off.

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                              WTB:
                              IHSH-129 size L (blue)
                              IHSH-19

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                              • ROmanR
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                                My best thoughts for my life during this time, and as usual is I follow the advise of a Medical doctor / professional / scientist, and not a Politician.

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                                • ROmanR
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                                  @Stuart.T:

                                  @ROman what a great friend you are being. We will weather this storm, and relationships will be even stronger. You're a good person dude.

                                  Thanks @Stuart.T it was a very humbling and emotional moment when I delivered the food to this family. Its definitely a typical story all over the world at the moment. They are a family that moved here from Ecuador about 7 years ago and put their heart and soul into this business. I also appreciate your insight into what occurs in the UK, as I see parallels over here. Thanks.

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                                  • gaseousclayG
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                                    Ordered this from Railcar Fine Goods. Any other denim companies making masks besides RC and Bravestar?

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                                    WTB:
                                    IHSH-129 size L (blue)
                                    IHSH-19

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                                    • SteveS
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                                      Hey all, I've just designed quickly a T-shirt, with 100% profits going to NHS Together Charities.

                                      It is available pre-order (closes 27 April, shipping starts 5 May). Printed by a company called Everpress, on 100% Combed cotton, lots of sizes and a unisex tshirt. At the end of the pre-order, they start printing them and dispatch them out once done. Price is £20 + postage.

                                      Appreciate if anyone can share the link.

                                      https://everpress.com/stay-in-alive

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                                      • jordanscollectedJ
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                                        cool shirt @Steve. good cause too.

                                        For those curious, I received the Bravestar mask today, this is the $20 selvedge without the filter pocket.
                                        it pulls on the ears a tad, but the elastic is not too tight that it's uncomfortable.

                                        world tours:
                                        888 Fat guy chocolate WT
                                        Mad Red x2
                                        Wabidashery

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                                        • BloodnThunderB
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                                          My wife is an ARNP at one of the largest hospitals in Seattle (the original epicenter of the outbreak).  The hospital she works at converted every ward to a COVID ICU in preparation for the peak.  That peak came and went with beds being no more than 60% full.  This is credit to the city's efforts to social distance and somewhat being ahead of the curve in terms of the government placing in effect a stay at home order.  Of course you won't read about this in the news because it doesn't get clicks.  If it bleeds it leads and that's why people in the states are reading about NY, Louisiana, etc.

                                          However, that doesn't mean it is safe to just open everything back up.  The U.S. in general is pathetically behind on testing availability and until testing becomes readily available, hopefully before a vaccine is finally created, the city and surrounding areas will have to stay mostly shut down.

                                          IG: Shadesofindig0

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                                          • BloodnThunderB
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                                            @gaseousclay:

                                            Ordered this from Railcar Fine Goods. Any other denim companies making masks besides RC and Bravestar?

                                            Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

                                            Samurai and OkayDenimCo are two I can think of off the top of my head.

                                            IG: Shadesofindig0

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