Coronavirus (Covid-19) Discussion
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It’ll be interesting to see if his data proves correct.
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Quote from above article: "While many epidemiologists are warning of months, or even years, of massive social disruption and millions of deaths, Levitt says the data simply don’t support such a dire scenario"
It depends what people mean by "months, or even years". If he's saying that everything over 4 weeks is too pessimistic, he's definitely going against the green. If he's saying: "we will have figured something in the next 2-3 months that will allow us to climb out of the hole", then I think he's well within the consensus.I haven't seen anyone mentioning millions of deaths in Western countries if we actually act semi rationally. Millions of deaths are if we just go about our business as if nothing had changed.
In other words, I think this article is based on a straw man argument.
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Still can’t find sanitizer or Clorox at the store. I’ve got a half a bottle of sanitizer left which I use sparingly. Plenty of bog roll and paper towels at Target though
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Still can’t find sanitizer or Clorox at the store. I’ve got a half a bottle of sanitizer left which I use sparingly. Plenty of bog roll and paper towels at Target though
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Hand sanitizer? In Austria pharmacies started to make their own…
https://www.who.int/gpsc/5may/Guide_to_Local_Production.pdf
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On a different note:
Tokyo’s infection spike after Olympic delay sparks questions
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-30/tokyos-infection-spike-after-olympic-delay-sparks-questions -
I've found that sanitizing spray and wipes remained available long after hand sanitizer disappeared, and so did hard cleaning vinegar. All those will work (and so will soap as we all know by now).
Correct. For non medical people, washing hands with a soap for 30 sec is sufficient, the viral envelope of SARS-CoV-2 is not very firm.
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I've found that sanitizing spray and wipes remained available long after hand sanitizer disappeared, and so did hard cleaning vinegar. All those will work (and so will soap as we all know by now).
I’ve still got about 3/4 a bottle of Clorox left that I use for surfaces, so that should last awhile. but it’s hard to know when these items will be available again which is why I look. I did buy another refill bottle of liquid hand soap since my son and I use a lot of it. The wipes are redundant but I still look in case my ex-wife needs some.
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Much is reported about deaths in hospitals in the UK, and the British media has just picked up on residential care home deaths in France today.
Sadly we have had our first reports of care home deaths in our work today. The care home staff work tirelessly, putting themselves and others at risk because they do not have any PPE. We have been screaming at Government to get supplies to care providers for weeks. There is a significantly greater risk of deaths within the care home population than there is in hospitals. It just isn't being reported here yet.
I need PPE and I'm just not getting it. I've signed up to volunteer in my local area too, and will be in higher risk areas. We need those supplies yesterday!!
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@den1mhead thank you, but not posted for acknowledgement, just to highlight that there are 10s of 1000s of staff and volunteers that don't have access to the supplies the health services do.
Its easy to criticise thos in office, but honestly, regardless of political ideology, they have a thankless task at the moment, and for the first time in my living memory parties in the UK are pulling together.
I am proud to live in a democracy, and my role in my LA is to have oversight of international and domestic legislation with regard to deprivation of liberty. Any signatory to the ECtHR is bound not to breach the convention unless it does so in accordance with an instrument of law. The UK could use legislation to control infectious disease - if you were suspected of diagnosed as infected, but not the non-contagious general population. Governments had to get that legislation written and through Parliament. The Coronavirus Bill was 329 pages written in a few days. There are also lots of separate regulations. The British people should read them. They are Orwellian!
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In the US there was a huge push for biothreat regulation in 2001 after the anthrax attacks. They had a biomonitoring and bioresponse program for about a decade. After that, it was called a boondoggle and was dismantled with extreme prejudice. Should be interesting if any of the politicians that called it a waste of time are eating crow right now.
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If you guys have time you should look at how Governor Larry Hogan has been handling the Covid19 thing. He's been really proactive and had intelligent plans to control the spread. Even though MD has a pretty decent sized population, we don't have that many infections or deaths.
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I recently read The Fifth Risk by Michael Lewis. Although his book maybe biased given his political views, it outlined many of the key ranks of the U.S. national departments and programs that were dismantled by the change of administration. It could have played in part in the lack of coordination/direction in response to this crisis.
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Yeah, I get quite frustrated with Americans who complain about Trump and his mishandling of the situation. All the Western democracies have screwed up. If the president in the US was a Merkel or a Macron, things would basically be just as bad.
I'm sorry I find this statement very inappropriate.
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Let's try not to politicise these discussions or knock individual leaders. We will all have some views as to how they are handling the situation, but I would not wish the enormity of what they are having to do, on my own worst enemy.
I said to a friend yesterday, this is as big as WW2, he replied, "It's bigger, at least in a war there is always the possibility of a negotiated settlement, we do not have that with Covid-19".
When we are through this, then is the time to analyze how effective our leaders were and make the appropriate actions, oh and for pity's sake, learn from the lessons…
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Yeah, I get quite frustrated with Americans who complain about Trump and his mishandling of the situation. All the Western democracies have screwed up. If the president in the US was a Merkel or a Macron, things would basically be just as bad.
I'm sorry I find this statement very inappropriate.
Why?
