Coronavirus (Covid-19) Discussion
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would you say the same to an individual, that for medical/ health reasons, cannot be vaccinated?
vaccinations should not be a diversifying topic whether an individual chooses to do so or not. as much as vaccination benefits an entire community, the choice they make should ultimately be left to an individual as to whether they decide to do so or not and without the pressure, views and/or opinions of everyone else.
I personally think that all these vaccination debate around the world is creating more of a divide rather than uniting us as a population to fight against this virus that we face..
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would you say the same to an individual, that for medical/ health reasons, cannot be vaccinated?
vaccinations should not be a diversifying topic whether an individual chooses to do so or not. as much as vaccination benefits an entire community, the choice they make should ultimately be left to an individual as to whether they decide to do so or not and without the pressure, views and/or opinions of everyone else.
I personally think that all these vaccination debate around the world is creating more of a divide rather than uniting us as a population to fight against this virus that we face..
Sorry I'm going to have to disagree with literally everything that is quoted above.
Data has proven, and continues to prove, the benefit and ultimately the need for vaccinations. They work. They save lives. That is not debatable. Because of these facts, when a healthy individual chooses to not get a vaccination for one reason or another they are making a selfish choice that puts those around them at risk. People that cannot be vaccinated are exactly the type of people that benefit from those who can be vaccinated choosing to do so. Healthy people should be UNITING together by getting vaccinated and helping those who cannot.
There also should be immense pressure to vaccinate put on those who are able to do so. To be blunt, society as a whole should be perfectly willing to hurt someone's poor little feelings by criticizing them for making a selfish and self-centered decision that ultimately puts members of that society at risk.
You want to know what the key to fighting a pandemic or any deadly virus is? People getting vaccinated. It absolutely is not everyone coming together and saying, "I respect your decision to get or not to get vaccinated."
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I’ve yet to hear of a person having a legitimate medical reason to not get vaccinated. Can you tell me one? I’m sure there are such exceptions, but I’m guessing they’re pretty few and far between. In all of the talk about COVID over the past year and a half, I’ve consumed a ton of information and have yet to hear of literally one medical condition that prohibits the vaccine. I’m not saying there aren’t prohibitive conditions, but they’re insignificant enough to basically never be mentioned. Outliers. Maybe it’s the same “conditions” that those people wore those BS bracelets for that somehow signified an inability to wear a mask. Most of the denial I’ve heard has to do with distrust, misinformation, and in my opinion, selfishness. Sure — I understand the importance of having individual rights, but when your stubbornness puts other people at risk and generally prolongs the existence of this disease, it’s a problem. Sometimes you should be willing to cooperate for the greater good. Anyway, there are my two cents. I don’t see much hope of converting anyone, but hey — your refusal affects all of us.
EDIT: I should clarify that I was responding to two posts back, and that I wholeheartedly agree with the subsequent response.
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@popvulture I'm definitely on the pro-vax side, but there are a lot of people who would be allergic to ingredients. I have a few mild allergies and they gave me an 'anaphylactic shock' sticker when I had my first jab incase it went west. I think the critical thing is that yes there are people who cannot have the vaccine for medical reasons, but that puts the onus on those of us who can to do our bit and get jabbed
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Alright, gotcha! Thank you for clarifying. I’ve been mega fired up about this since they raised our alert level here in Austin on Friday. I am furious, so please excuse me if I sound like a bit of a bare wire.
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Fair enough pal, I think we're all sick to the back teeth of it and getting jab appears to be our best way out of it all. Appears to be working well in the UK at least
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Yep it’s working well here too! I’ve known a couple of people who’ve managed to test positive despite being vaxed, either having no symptoms or mild ones. This is the kind of outcome I like to see — I know it’s not going to 100% prevent it, but it’s good to know it does the job of limiting severe symptoms and hospitalization. What scares the shit out of me is not nipping it in the bud before some super resistant mutation develops. Buckle up, I guess!
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A buddy of mine is undergoing chemotherapy, its scorched earth purpose is to kill cancer cells (including healthy ones). He is immunocompromised. Can't take any vaccines until his systems get back to "normal".
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It's not lost on me that my first reaction when I hear of people not being able to receive the vaccine is to perceive it as some sort of sham. I've witnessed more than a few people claiming such things when its clearly an excuse, as well as reasons they can't wear a mask, etc — it sucks that people like that have made me more than a bit cynical.
That reason above is obviously completely legitimate. Echoing what other people have said previously, I hope that people who can get the vaccine will think of people like your friend. I'm sure your buddy would appreciate it.
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@Omega:
A buddy of mine is undergoing chemotherapy, its scorched earth purpose is to kill cancer cells (including healthy ones). He is immunocompromised. Can't take any vaccines until his systems get back to "normal".
…and therefore is reliant on the people around him getting vaccinated and tested to reduce the risk for him getting in contact with the virus.
I am a dentist, have a PhD in medicine and was an army doctor. During the time with the highest number of hospitalized patients we were called back to hospital to get trained at Covid ICU's... just in case things will increase even more.
People were dying there daily back then. Old people, young people, healthy people and people with multiple diseases. A 19 year old top athlete was 11 weeks there. He is now still suffering with post-covid syndrome. There was no fucking therapy the only thing that could be done was giving oxygen. It's been an awful death and a lonely death. Usually no relatives were allowed to get into Covid-19 ICU's. So the last thing you might see when you lie there are not your beloved ones but the light of the laryngoscope. I really really hope we will not get there again in autumn or winter. Therefore anyone who CAN get vaccinated should get the fucking jab. -
@Omega:
A buddy of mine is undergoing chemotherapy, its scorched earth purpose is to kill cancer cells (including healthy ones). He is immunocompromised. Can't take any vaccines until his systems get back to "normal".
…and therefore is reliant on the people around him getting vaccinated and tested to reduce the risk for him getting in contact with the virus.
Therefore anyone who CAN get vaccinated should get the fucking jab.
as are children under 12 who at this point can not get the vaccination. (I have two in the group)
GET THE FUCKING SHOT!
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@Chap Jens, thank you for your service as well as the others who have/and are working on the front line!
Thx but I wasn't at the front line, just a view hours training per week. But I saw them there and talked to them, nurses and doctors and I still can not believe what a hard job they did. They should deserve so much respect.
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Amen to all of that!!!
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^^^ what he said, thank you @Chap
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would you say the same to an individual, that for medical/ health reasons, cannot be vaccinated?
People that cannot be vaccinated are exactly the type of people that benefit from those who can be vaccinated choosing to do so. Healthy people should be UNITING together by getting vaccinated and helping those who cannot.
This statement goes back to my question, "would you say the same dividing words to people that cannot be vaccinated for medical/ health reasons" as you would to someone that DECIDES not to get vaccinated.
people that choose not to get vaccinated benefits from people that get vaccinated too, as per what you said. the dividing factor here is the vaccination itself and not the medical/ health reason as to why they can't.
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No. Anyone with half a brain isn't going to criticize someone with a medical condition preventing them from getting the vaccination. In fact, people with a medical condition don't get to choose to get it or not. A nurse or doctor is not going to administer the vaccine to someone who is immunocompromised or is at risk of having an adverse reaction to the vaxx.
Herd immunity only works if a massive majority of the herd is immune. The only way a massive majority of the herd can be immune is if all of those eligible to get the vaccine get it. This would exclude children and people with pre-existing medical conditions (i.e. the people that do not have a choice whether they get the vaccine or not). This does not exclude those that CHOOSE to not get the vaccination for their own selfish, inconsiderate reasons.
