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    • neph93N
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      @zhivago:

      The battle for 100% white bread will be won but it’s gonna take a few calculated efforts

      With all due respect to the good doctor, there is a long way and many variations between 100% white and 100% wholemeal. I would argue that as soon as you leave 100% finely milled wheat flour, it is no longer white bread. Even then, there are «white» wholemeal flour variants with lots of fibre and less gluten, like spelt or other heritage corn.

      The main argument for doing at least one 100% white will be research. You need to know how it behaves so you can get the best possible bread when you start doing blends.

      Cooncidentally I’m doing a 100% white full levain bread and a full levain bread with about 25% whole wheat today. 25% isn’t masses but it ups the fibre meaningfully. You can use that and then add bran germ and wheat germ, even some seeds. This will give you a whole meal/granary loaf which still uses more that 50% white flour. You’ll have a light airy crumb, masses of fibre and taste. No other ingredients than FWSY.

      Here are the two doughs after mixing, bulk fermenting and shaping. It will proof in the baskets for another couple of hours:

      “Some of those that work forces
      Are the same that burn crosses”

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      • neph93N
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        While I’m waiting for the proof to finish, I’m indulging my Britishness with PG Tips and the Cornish Fairings I made yesterday…

        “Some of those that work forces
        Are the same that burn crosses”

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        • zhivagoZ
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          Definitely agree and dang do those doughs look lovely!! I am feeling confident I've got enough ammo to pull off a 100% white loaf this week, it's research after all 😃

          Zhivago

          MM: "we all got to start somewhere"

          G: "Never once did he bitch, moan or complain.  He just motivated the team and got on with it"

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          • GilesG
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            Here is an interesting article about whole grain bread….

            https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/what-makes-whole-grain-bread-so-hard-to-bake-63878/

            I am making a 50% poolish today (the poolish was mixed last night and comprised 500gms strong organic white, 500gms water 0.4gms yeast).  Here is the poolish when I came downstairs:

            To make the final dough, I added 200gms white, 150gms 8-grain 150gms dark rye, 250 gms water, 3 gms yeast and 21gms salt.

            8-grain:

            Dark rye:

            So there is plenty of fibre in the dough and no unnatural stuff added to make it rise.  @Chap was the inspiration for this mix (though I think he made a biga not a poolish), saying it was the tastiest bread he had ever baked….

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            • neph93N
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              Totally support the use of seven or eight corn flour. Tasty, rich in fibre and easy to get on with.

              Here are the 100% white loaves just out of the oven:


              “Some of those that work forces
              Are the same that burn crosses”

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                you guys are bananas. i love it

                Maybe so. Maybe not

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                • endoE
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                  @neph93:

                  Here are the 100% white loaves just out of the oven

                  that looks so good! I think I can smell it over here …

                  si tacuisses

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                  • neph93N
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                    @endo:

                    @neph93:

                    Here are the 100% white loaves just out of the oven

                    that looks so good! I think I can smell it over here …

                    It was pretty tasty I have to admit. One loaf gone already [emoji15]

                    “Some of those that work forces
                    Are the same that burn crosses”

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                    • neph93N
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                      @zhivago this is the 25-30% (can’t be bothered with the math [emoji1]), wholewheat.

                      Different crumb and colour to the white, but still airy and light. It has lovely earthy taste.


                      “Some of those that work forces
                      Are the same that burn crosses”

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                      • GilesG
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                        My very rudimentary way of keeping track of the rise…..After a couple of hours, I'll make a mark where the dough has risen to, then I just keep on marking the new height until either there is no more movement, or I get bored...

                        "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                        • GilesG
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                          Then, I did get bored…..

                          And turned the pancake onto the working surface…

                          Shaped and tensioned….

                          And now for an hour or so of proofing….

                          "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                            😃

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                            • GilesG
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                              And complete….

                              "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                              • endoE
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                                This is my first experience with breaking my own bread. I like a good bread and always toyed with the idea of baking. After reading all the nice posts here I dared to give it a try, another good result of this forum.

                                And what shall I say, it's gotten quite well. Prepared the starter yesterday, then some work this morning and later a great smell all through our flat. (That alone was worth it.) It's a brown bread, ¾ wheat and ¼ rye. The crust is very nice, the crumb I would say ok. It's not sticky and doesn't fall apart, but could be somehow nicer. The underside did not develop much of a crust. But anyway, not bad for a first try. The taste is really nice, just had a slice with some butter and emmentaler. 😋

                                si tacuisses

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                                  Great first attempt…

                                  "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                                    …lot's of good info @Giles and @neph93! Certainly up for the wheat variants! Fantastic! Thank you! 🙂

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                                      Just some Madeleines for breakfast - nice smell of vanilla and lemon.

                                      si tacuisses

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                                      • neph93N
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                                        @endo:

                                        Just some Madeleines for breakfast - nice smell of vanilla and lemon.

                                        “Just” some Madeleines? Excellent humblebrag, they look delicious [emoji1]

                                        Thoroughly enjoying baking full levain doughs now the air temps in my house are evening out. Hit the nail on the head with a warm spot white levain and a Country Brown.


                                        “Some of those that work forces
                                        Are the same that burn crosses”

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                                        • endoE
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                                          Excellent humblebrag, they look delicious [emoji1]

                                          Actually, they're very easy to make, a 5-min-recipe. You just need the moulds.
                                          I'm more keen on developing some skills in bread baking. Will carry on trying …

                                          si tacuisses

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                                          • neph93N
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                                            @endo:

                                            Actually, they're very easy to make, a 5-min-recipe. You just need the moulds.
                                            I'm more keen on developing some skills in bread baking. Will carry on trying …

                                            I will keep an eye out for moulds… but if I bought all the kitchen equipment I like I'd have no money for IH 😃

                                            As for baking, your first loaf had a lovely shape and rise to it. How much of your wheat was all purpose flour/white flour?

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                                            Are the same that burn crosses”

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