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    IHSW-34 -12oz Heavyweight Loopwheel Fleece Lined Sweater - Grey Marl or Mint Gre

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    • rocketR
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            • neph93N
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              If you want the finish garment to have a certain shape to it then the tubular weave needs to be cut and re-sewn. The fabric itself retains the qualities of loop wheeled material despite the side seams.

              Edit: it’s a trade-off at the end of the day. The lack of side seams is aesthetically pleasing (for some) and more comfortable (although that is really only an issue on garments worn close to the body).

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              • GilesG
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                And, proper the knitted tube that loopwheel machines make, max out at a rather small Japanese circumference, so to make larger garments, the tubes have to be cut and sewn…

                "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                  • ChrisC
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                    Personally, I've never really had a problem with side seams and don't understand the hatred they seem to engender.

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                    • neph93N
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                      @Chris:

                      Personally, I've never really had a problem with side seams and don't understand the hatred they seem to engender.

                      Yeah, I have the iht-1610 both with and without and I can’t remember putting the ones without on an and thinking “oh damn the difference is amazing”. In fact I can’t remember ever caring. I sometimes remember to appreciate the look of it, but I suspect it’s all an affectation.

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                      • ChrisC
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                        Generally speaking I don't even notice one way or the other.  In fact, I had to look at the shirt I'm wearing (Jungmaven Baja pocket tee) to see whether it had seams or not.

                        It does, just for the record…

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                        • GilesG
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                          When we first made t-shirts, I asked H whether they were loopwheel.  His answer "I have no idea, is it important?"

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                                  • Stuart.TS
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                                    So to reignite the debate, these are loopwheel knit, then side seems cut and sewn into them?

                                    I have loopwheel and non-loopwheel shirts and sweats. Full loopwheel are hands down my favoured option.

                                    The very fact that a garment has additional seems and sewing means that there ar more potential faultlines. Loopwheel definitely hold their shape better over multiple washes.

                                    As for larger sizes and loopwheel in Japan not able to knit larger sizes, I own loopwheel sweaters by freewheelers and buzz ricksons, and they are larger sizes, without side seems, made in Japan.

                                    If a brand was not concerned with both quality AND aesthetic, then why have selvedge seems and packets on garments that are deliberately visible in the construction?

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                                    • neph93N
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                                      @Stuart.T:

                                      If a brand was not concerned with both quality AND aesthetic, then why have selvedge seems and packets on garments that are deliberately visible in the construction?

                                      @Giles:

                                      When we first made t-shirts, I asked H whether they were loopwheel.  His answer "I have no idea, is it important?"

                                      H-san hasn’t been overly concerned with selvedge earlier. The important thing was the quality and function of them material. I believe he has said that if he could get the same weaves from a wide loom then he’d be fine with that. I think he realises that his international market might not be, the 301 saga being a case in point.

                                      He clearly isn’t fussed by side seams either. There is no doubt about his commitment to quality and aesthetics. He obviously doesn’t consider having side seams to be compromising either. It’s good enough for me.

                                      I’ll add that I have had the grey IHSW-34 and own a RMC sweatshirt too. The RMC has no side seams. The ‘34 probably has. I still don’t care one way or another.

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                                      • ChrisC
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                                        Tube construction is overrated. I've never had a shirt rip apart at a side seam and I've never noticed any difference in durability or comfort.  If the fabric and construction are good, then whether a shirt has side seams seems irrelevant for any purpose other than affectation. Much like chainstitch runoff.

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                                          Some aspects regarding loopwheel manufacturing https://merzbschwanen.com/manufacturing-good-originals

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                                            @Chris:

                                            Personally, I've never really had a problem with side seams and don't understand the hatred they seem to engender.

                                            Me neither. I have several Reigning Champ sweatshirts and they all have ribbed side seams. Never had any issues. As it may have already been pointed out, it’s probably more to do with aesthetics, much like the chain stitch runoff you mentioned or selvedge line

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