*Hardcore*

[Max Power]

I'll try:

Nothing ever moved
in all the thousand years
I'm still waiting
for fear of death
I am the center
and understand nothing
I am the center
and I have never understood
Pass the red signal - marked
Talking to myself - under four eyes - illegible
there is nothing there where it should be
there is nothing there where it should be - and everybody knows it
Unconscious nod
self-devised limits
"thinking" Labyrinth shaken as Martini
lied robbed eaten
plundered murdered desecrated

[Giles]

Wow, great thanks Max….....

[nameness]

Now playing:

(I hate seeing the HC thread bumped off the front page)

[riffblaster general]

DISENGAGE!

[elclintor]

So have you guys heard about Primate?

Kevin Sharp and Bill Kelliher in a band together!

http://www.myspace.com/primating

[riffblaster general]

yessir

[John Ariz]

just saw a pic of R. General rocking his SWIZ shirt. Reminder to all those fans to pick up the new "DAG with Shawn" CD on Dischord. Can finally put the bootleg to rest.

[riffblaster general]

LOVE this record.  had the 7 inch set that thd records put out years ago, but i'm so stoked it got a proper remaster and rerelease.  Shawn Brown is king!!!

[SepticSef]

been listening to OFF! all day.i`m totally into keith morris new band.plus the video has footage of raymond pettibone painting so thats a plus.

[nameness]

So the question is, are they overrated and really one of the best HC bands ever?

[passthestripe]

@nameness:

So the question is, are they overrated and really one of the best HC bands ever?

One of the first shows I saw was SOIA, Ensign and Indecision… Still a classic night in my life.

Say what you want about SOIA, but every time I saw them I had a blast and sang and moshed like crazy.

[Max Power]

Overrated? Yes. Important? Yes. Maybe depends on wether you like NYHC or not. I personally am not the biggest fan of Lou Koller's voice, tbh.

[riffblaster general]

i gotta say they lost me after just look around.  Generally speaking i'm not a huge fan of nyhc.  i feel like there were about 4 or 5 bands that were truly great and about a hundred who just sorta rode coat tails.

[nameness]

And the four or five are….  drumroll...

[riffblaster general]

Agnostic Front (early),  Cro Mags, Kraut,  can you count the Bad Brains?

[nameness]

Kraut, wasn't expecting that one.  Always thought of them more in the punk vein.  I'd say BB is DC/NYC.  So basically nothing past '86?

[riffblaster general]

for me yes.    there were other bands that i liked, but none of them had the staying power like these bands and everything that came after them seemed to borrow from them very liberally.

and its highly debateable but i would even include sonic youth in there.

[Max Power]

^Agnostic Front (early) and Cro Mags are well chosen for NYHC, IMO. The point is, many "average" rock or metal fans think of SOIA as the typical hc band. I don't, to me the BAd Brains, Minor Threat, Adolescents, Black Flag, Middle Class, 7 Seconds, MDC (and german: Spermbirds and Inferno) and so on are "typical". SOIA come far beyond that.

[hasty]

Bit late picking this up, but have been enjoying The Secret's "Solve Et Coagula"

[nameness]

Thread has fallen to the third page, that's unacceptable.

One of the most underrated bands & albums of that time, in my opinion.