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    • JDelageJ
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      Full plates?

      I'm doing 3x3 with heavier weights (comparatively to what I'd be able to do 3x5 or 5x5). This should reduce bulking.

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      • AppfaffA
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        You should not be "bulking" unless your overall volume increases.

        Bulking is cause either by 1. Hypertrophy (which usually happens due to 1. A lot of volume in short amount of time or 2. Reps in the 8-12+ range at moderate loads) or 2. A caloric increase compared to your metabolic rate.

        Just because you get stronger doesn't mean your legs will
        Get bigger.  However, bigger legs usually do mean stronger legs 🙂

        Now this is hypertrophy range haha-
        This was a 1-10-1-20-1-30 squat workout. 30 reps at 90% BW after 20 reps @100%BW and 10 reps at 110% BW and some heavy singles thrown in the mix

        https://instagram.com/p/BO-qSzhlO0_/

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        • JDelageJ
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          Maybe bulking was the wrong term. My point is that 3x3 at heavier weight should result in less mass gained than 5x5 at a lower weight (but comparable level of perceived effort).

          Also, you're strong as hell. There's no f'ing way I'd ever be able to do even 1/3 of that workout. Impressive work.

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          • AppfaffA
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            @JDelage - I agree with you about the 3x3 vs 5x5. Unless there is a huge increase in loading paired with a huge increase in caloric intake. Some strength athletes will actually use deloading in volume and an increase in caloric intake to force faster recovery or taper before a meet or game.

            and Im not really strong. im one of the weaker dudes in my own damn gym haha.

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            • tvenutoT
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              Another #lifterproblems member here.  I wear a 34 (often buy a 33 to account for stretch), and my thighs measure ~25.  So any jeans that measure less than 12.5 flat are an absolute no go.  I usually like to see 13-13.5 because I don't like tight pants.  I also tend to have issues with the top block being tight around the low hip area, which was my problem with the brown whipcord workpants that I had to send back.

              I'm currently wearing the IH 1955S, which are pretty good in the leg, but as I mentioned in that other thread (that we got booted from), the rise on these is very high.  I still like them, but it makes the pockets seem short, and I have trouble walking up stairs with a phone in my pocket.

              I've found that the momotaro copper label G019-MB work well, although I have little time in them since it's winter and I've been sticking with my 1955s.  I think I have an advantage because I don't care for narrow leg openings either, so I don't need an extreme taper.  I have relatively long legs so I think the wider lower legs balance that out.

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              • manufc10M
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                I too have this same issue and I have found the Iron Heart 633, Railcar Spikes, and Left Field Greaser (for a more straight leg fit) and Charles Atlas (for a tapered fit) fits work.

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                • spitfiredealerS
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                  @Appfaff  & @neph93 or anyone really, you got any experience in the amount of stretch i'll get in the thighs with the 21oz? I can feel it stretching after only a few days but be nice to know what i can expect

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                  • neph93N
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                    It definitely loosens up some but not loads like the 17oz does. I'm 20 days into my SBG 21oz 555's now and the upper thigh measures about 3mm bigger than it did new. Not loads but noticeable. The last pair I had in the regular 21oz ended up nearly a cm bigger, but I absolutely trashed those using them as work pants on a summer long building project.

                    “Some of those that work forces
                    Are the same that burn crosses”

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                    • spitfiredealerS
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                      Thanks man,  i am hoping for 0.5" but that might be too hopefully. My quads have blown up in a month. Seriously considering training them less

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                      • AppfaffA
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                        @spitfiredealer:

                        @Appfaff  & @neph93 or anyone really, you got any experience in the amount of stretch i'll get in the thighs with the 21oz? I can feel it stretching after only a few days but be nice to know what i can expect

                        My 301 stretched almost half a size, maybe 0.25-0.4" in the thigh - while my 21oz SBG haven't stretched quite as much. I remember my ODBB stretched about 0.3 in the thighs

                        Good luck!

                        And Neph, how on earth have your 17oz stretched a bunch… mine have yet to give at all haha [emoji23]

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                        • neph93N
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                          @Appfaff:

                          And Neph, how on earth have your 17oz stretched a bunch… mine have yet to give at all haha [emoji23]

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                          Are we talking the same IH 17oz natural indigo denim? Mine are the 555N. No denim I've ever had stretches so much. I easily got .5" in the thigh. Mind you, I needed it [emoji28]

                          “Some of those that work forces
                          Are the same that burn crosses”

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                          • AppfaffA
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                            My 633N have not given even a CM lol god knows I kneed it too [emoji12]

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                            • neph93N
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                              That's a bit weird. When I put them on first time they were like latex. I squatted and lunged a bit and they went from Motley Crüe ca. 1989 to relaxed, slim tapered fit for the modern man…

                              “Some of those that work forces
                              Are the same that burn crosses”

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                              • tvenutoT
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                                @spitfiredealer:

                                Thanks man,  i am hoping for 0.5" but that might be too hopefully. My quads have blown up in a month. Seriously considering training them less

                                NEVER!

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                                • DionD
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                                  Looking at the measurements, I think 3Sixteen's CT-fit (Classic Tapered) should be great.

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                                  • S
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                                    I started going to the gym about 6 months ago. I used to bike everywhere for most of my exercise. I'm also eating more, trying to gain weight and muscle. My thighs have really grow. MY DWCxUHRs used to be fine in the thighs and now they are uncomfortably tight, so I'm going to retire them. I went to SE today and got a pair of 633-14oz. They had a nice amount of room in the thing and a good taper. Pretty psyched about them, and hoping the lighter weight can carry me through the summer.

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                                    • EngineerE
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                                      I'm not a lifter, but I've always had large legs from playing soccer.  For reference, I'm a 34W in IH bottoms, and my thighs measure ~25".  Some good fits for me are:

                                      IH-633S
                                      IH-1955-UHR
                                      IH-816
                                      TFH-3012
                                      Left Field Greaser

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                                      • SlimStraightNYUSAS
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                                        I'd take a different approach. I have an actual 28" waist. My quad-ham circumference is at least 24". Plus I have a black girl booty. I wear 29" 634-SV (which Giles let out a little in the thighs). Cold water stretching is my solution. I've asked a LOT of the outseam so I got them wet and cold wearing them and partial-squatted into the "top bucket" to get them taught on my quads, and directly massage the denim there. Pushing it out by putting the heels of my hands together, using my fingers to anchor, I press in and stretch out from the approximate center. There is approximately 0 "roominess", but because I can I can hike them all the way up to the crotch, I have freedom of movement (Giles calls Vulcan a stubborn denim). I'm not trying to catch a snatch ass to grass in these jeans.

                                        So the point is, I look at the measurements. But I think Iron Heart could look at the possibility of "open waste-to-glute-to-thigh ratio" jeans. Specific "IH-ISJ", I dunno, IH- iron sports jeans. I understand how exclusory a fit like this would be (sweepingly irrelevant to most), but it'd be it's own corner of the market. And you know you start from average and only fit to larger than average. I've looked fairly exhaustively at pre-fab designs ($100-$350) and there is always a hefty sacrifice to make. Either in rise, oversized waist, taper(-less) options and so on. A higher back yolk combined with a little more fabric between the hip crease on the front down to the knee.

                                        I have MANY friends that have to buy stretch denim. Or sacrifice form fitting by buying a bigger waist. Many of them complain (my teammate brandon used the word oppressive, lol) about not being able to get ahold of a really super pair of jeans to go out in like "regular" guys. Thing is, I'D buy them, at least a dozen people I know personally would buy them and I cant imagine they wouldnt sell out every time. Olympic weightlifting and bodybuilding (powerlifting not so much in that they often are just big, not big and extremely narrow in the waist. also, cycling, rugby, american football, rowing, gymnastics, etc. ad infinitum) are both iron sports that will INVARIABLY build extreme ratios. Now couple that with how many participate worldwide. Well, we all want put on that FIRE pair of jeans and go out on the town to turn the boys and girls heads.

                                        Iron Hearts are for Iron Sports, whether you play with iron horses or barbells!

                                        Edit: specifically at The Arnold and other fitness conventions. Athletes spend hours and hours doing photos and autographs and other press opportunities. Youtube fitness community is half/half actual exercise clips and lifestyle clips (from diet, equipment and supplement reviews to hobbies like fine dining, parkour, and motorcycling).

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                                        • neph93N
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                                          Real life lifter problems: When your deadlift form is so tight (or shite?) that you scrape all the skin off your shins  ::)

                                          “Some of those that work forces
                                          Are the same that burn crosses”

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                                          • spitfiredealerS
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                                            my shins are always scabbed up from deadlifts. I consider my form pretty good. Have tried adjusting it to stop this but it always felt like the bar was getting away from me thus making the lift harder.

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