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    • mikebarhootM
      mikebarhoot
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      I was gonna go there but wasnt sure if rOman was ready for the rectinal scan discussion.

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        @mikebarhoot I think your advice was solid for Roman's requirements. I was aiming more general awareness singing the praise of TWO FACTOR :).

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        • ROmanR
          ROman
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          Thanks for the advice @mikebarhoot and @Snowy . I will give it a try.

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          • GraemeG
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            The trouble with the xkcd password is that it depends on the hacker using brute force to try to guess it on a letter by letter basis.

            A common attack is to use a dictionary, or a list of words. For example, there are about 200 billion combinations of eight characters (ignoring numbers and upper and lower case), but about 45,000 words in English. Now if the hacker thinks we're using a combination of words, he could run with the assumption that they're likely to be pretty simple. No-one is likely to come up with a combination like EigenvectorFloccinaucinihilipilificationDisestablishmentarianism…

            Let's say that there are 10,000 words that might be used, then the search space for a combination of four becomes about 10^16. (That's a one followed by sixteen zeroes.)

            OK, let's take characters. If you throw in lower and upper case, numbers, and symbols (!, £, %, &, @, etc.), then you might end up with 80 you could use. For an eight character password, you've got 10^15 options. But going up to ten would give you 10^19.

            Of course, the hacker might assume that you're using L337 speak to swap out characters in a regular word to form a password, which gets you back to square one…

            As @Snowy says, use two-factor authentication. That's more secure, because you need to lose your device to prevent your account from being compromised. A password manager, with randomised long strings will also help. But security isn't my speciality.

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            • SeulS
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              @Graeme:

              But security isn't my speciality.

              😉

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              • louisboscoL
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                i'm not worth enough to be hacked…

                "Loyalty is a two way street. If i'm asking for it from you, then you're getting it from me."

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                  Modern password cracking isn't done (generally) by trying to log in as you onto a website over and over. It's done trying to authenticate/spoof your identity. It's knowing your name and address, then calling a telco, finding out they tell you the last 4 digits of your credit card by mistake. Then you call up Yahoo who authenticate you using the last 4 digits you now have. Then your gmail account or whatever, you can now do a password reset, as you've set that password to reset to the yahoo account. Game over man.

                  ^Is a real attack that has/does get used it's how a lot of the celeb icloud hacks happened.

                  The modern form of password cracking itself is now usually done offline. They aim to get the database and crack it offline. Most cracks don't look to work out the password, they have 1-time pre-computed hashes up front. They hire these huge instances from cloud providers and one time work out every password ever. It costs a few thousand dollars.

                  Then they hack into a company like Yahoo, Tumblr and pull the entire database of passwords. They figure out how the password was stored in the database, then run their precomputed matching against it. That's the annoying attack. It's not targetted at you, but you've still lost all your shit. Or the details here will be kept/sold and re-used YEARS later, for something else..

                  An example of the precomputed password stuff;

                  Say my password is "hello world";
                  1)The computer when it saves to the database would save that as "5eb63bbbe01eeed093cb22bb8f5acdc3" if I was using MD5 as a checksum.
                  2)When I try log in, it generates a MD5 checksum of what I type in to make sure it matches "5eb63bbbe01eeed093cb22bb8f5acdc3".
                  3)If it does, it knows that I typed in the right password as ONLY "hello world" can generate that string (within reason).

                  So the hackers have a DB with all these MD5 checksums, what they then do is generate every possible word and combination ahead of time like;

                  
                  MD5 ("a") = 0cc175b9c0f1b6a831c399e269772661
                  MD5 ("b") = 92eb5ffee6ae2fec3ad71c777531578f
                  MD5 ("c") = 4a8a08f09d37b73795649038408b5f33
                  MD5 ("..") = 58b9e70b65a
                  MD5 ("Hello World") = b10a8db164e0754105b7a99be72e3fe5
                  MD5 ("Hello w0rld") = e7a9e19587c07e67b205ae2d94cbad13
                  MD5 ("h3llo w0rld") = 0dedd75e7d5b93afef109aae6a3e73a5
                  
                  

                  When they get the password database, what they do is run it through the dictionary, if they get a match, they know your password. This takes under a day and only a few hundred dollars. Password complexity is not a thing anymore. Single factor is NOT secure. Hopefully you guys don't have your credit cards or bank accounts behind just a single password. And hopefully your bank password is not the same as your e-mail account. And hopefully the password reset for your bank isn't the same as the email address that was cracked above :o. 2 factor is mandatory for any business  IMO.

                  Some of the larger breaches of the database style attacks can be seen @ https://haveibeenpwned.com/ The website owner downloads every release hack and keeps the emails on file. DO put in your e-mail and subscribe to the service to let you know if you get owned. The owner of that website is one of the most vocal IT security guys in the game (Troy Hunt).

                  #'s of DB hacks in last few years;
                  359,420,698 MySpace accounts 
                  234,842,089 NetEase accounts 
                  164,611,595    LinkedIn accounts 
                  152,445,165 Adobe accounts 
                  112,005,531 Badoo accounts 
                  93,338,602 VK accounts 
                  91,436,280 Rambler accounts 
                  68,648,009 Dropbox accounts 
                  65,469,298 tumblr accounts 
                  58,843,488 Modern Business Solutions accounts

                  My name is Snowy and I have worked and continue to work around the Information Security Industry.

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                  • organisysO
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                    Which is why owners of sites need to salt their hashes.  😛

                    Pride of Japan :-)

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                      ^yah, and you want to make damn sure it's a good salt. Have seen some examples where the salt is statically coded as well :(.

                      BTW the password lookup DB is called a Rainbow Table. I forgot the term, just came back to me. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_table).

                      The world is an interesting place.

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                      • ROmanR
                        ROman
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                        I really can't believe my current job is in Washington DC. Looking forward to my next one in Houston.

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                        • ROmanR
                          ROman
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                          One of the news stories on the day after I arrived, which was 1/12/17, was that a man was running around NW DC groping women.

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                          • GilesG
                            Giles
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                            Trump or Clinton?

                            "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                            • louisboscoL
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                              @Giles:

                              Trump or Clinton?

                              trump, clinton or me?

                              "Loyalty is a two way street. If i'm asking for it from you, then you're getting it from me."

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                              • Megatron1505M
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                                @Giles:

                                Trump or Clinton?

                                😉 😉 😉

                                Made in England, clothed in Japan, fed in America and drunk in Belgium !

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                                • ROmanR
                                  ROman
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                                  No name was mentioned but I thought someone got to town early. Seul gets credit for the post from earlier.

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                                    • mikebarhootM
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                                      met her in a bar down in north soho…

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                                      • SamS
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                                        The new photobucket site (if you can call it that, it's more like a screen shot of a site) makes you want to smash you computer and go live in the woods.

                                        Insta - @braveinthefaceoflasers

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                                        • SeulS
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                                          My feelings exactly…

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                                          • ChrisC
                                            Chris
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                                            It is truly terrible. The app is equally horrible.  I've used photobucket for the last five years or so, but it's basically dead to me now.

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