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    • GilesG
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      This is not a political statement either, so please do not take it as one.  But to underline @madmonday 's comment above.  This from a US politician - just unbelievable….

      _"With regard to the idea of whether you have a right to health care, you have to realize what that implies. It’s not an abstraction. I’m a physician. That means you have a right to come to my house and conscript me. It means you believe in slavery. It means that you’re going to enslave not only me, but the janitor at my hospital, the person who cleans my office, the assistants who work in my office, the nurses.

      "Basically, once you imply a belief in a right to someone’s services, do you have a right to plumbing? Do you have a right to water? Do you have right to food? You’re basically saying you believe in slavery. You’re saying you believe in taking and extracting from another person. Our founding documents were very clear about this. You have a right to pursue happiness but there’s no guarantee of physical comfort. There’s no guarantee of concrete items. In order to give something concrete, you have to take it from someone. So there’s an implied threat of force.

      "If I’m a physician in your community and you say you have a right to health care, do you have a right to beat down my door with the police, escort me away and force me to take care of you? That’s ultimately what the right to free health care would be. If you believe in a right to health care, you’re believing in basically the use of force to conscript someone to do your bidding."_

      "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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      • steelworkerS
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        ^^^ 😠 😠 😠 😞 😞 😞

        Unbefeckinlievable. Except it happened.

        Those are my principles, and if you don't like them…
        Well, I have others.

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        • DionD
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          😞

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          • ColeC
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            This amount of stupidity is simply mind-bogglin.

            Gesendet von meinem D5803 mit Tapatalk

            WTB:
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            IHE-13

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            • Black OrchidB
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              I agree… Kind of scary too considering the "super power" status, not meaning to be political or anything [emoji849]

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              • GilesG
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                @TrickHell:

                I'm not an idiot and don't appreciate the recurring implications that I am because ….....Don't assume everyone on here sees the world the same way as you.

                I ( we) know that, and I don't think I (we) do….

                "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                • apba1166A
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                  U.S.Politics:
                  Always keep in mind…you have to be registered to vote, and in most states registered w/a party to vote in the primary.
                  About 62% of adults 18+ are registered--some think many less because of all the people completely out of the system. Of those about 25-30% are registered as Independents, and only between 17% and 35% vote in primaries.
                  So in a low turnout primary election you might only have 20% of 46%  or 10 percent of adults voting, or 4% voting for the R and 6% of adults voting for the D (since in most places registered D's outnumber registered R's).

                  So the rhetoric...is aimed at those folks, many of whom have decided well ahead of time on the real issues or policy preferences or personal issues etc no matter their candidate says, and they understand that the real target is a fragment of those people left undecided, dumb enough not to know what to think about anything, and so the stuff you hear is aimed at them for the most part: certainly the TV spots. The debate junk used to be aimed only at press, since before the R-Trump-Debate Broadcast Industry came into being three months ago, no one watched them, and it only mattered what the press reported.

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                  • madmondayM
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                    @TrickHell  I've said numerous times I think you are a smart person & admire your work ethic & drive.

                    reading back I tried to get to what prompted your post & I can't see it.

                    That's all I got

                    head high, middle finger higher

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                    • apba1166A
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                      One of his @TrickHell points is that it matters who votes. When the large percentage of the vote is people over 65 or a small percent is people 18-25, and an even smaller percent is people 25-34….the people pander to the priorities of the voters rather than being accountable to the good of the whole.

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                      • 4c4
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                        Indeed. Vote; Democracy for the win!

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                        • GraemeG
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                          Look on the bright side, at least the US presidential race is ripe for satire. For example.

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                          • Black OrchidB
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                            ^^ made me chuckle this morning, thank you @Graeme

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                            • organisysO
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                              I wish i could laugh about it. He will be a puppet.

                              Pride of Japan :-)

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                              • GilesG
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                                @organisys:

                                I wish i could laugh about it. He is a muppet.

                                "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                                • 4c4
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                                  Still one of the best and most honest quotes of the presidential race.
                                  Cue Drumpf clip….


                                  Sure it is partly taken out of context, but who cares.

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                                      • FinksterF
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                                        ^ full agreement  😉

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                                        • J
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                                          So close…

                                          Bourbon: because living in Kentucky just makes you want to drink

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                                          • elclintorE
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                                            Hey you guys! I'm going to the circus! It's gonna be yuuuuuge!!

                                            But for real… I can't miss the people watching event of the decade..

                                            Geo

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