Unpopular opinions

[injunjack]

shop built so called custom bikes suck big time.  You either do build your chopper/bobber your self in your own garage / backyard  or you don't brag about the result.

[Giles]

welcome back @injunjack

[Bob]

I was never happy with any of the work I farmed out (track, not road). Did all my own engine and suspension work, and even changed and balanced my own tires, as I considered it tantamount to packing one's own chute. But I did let a strange factory in a foreign land build the bike. @injunjack:

shop built so called custom bikes suck big time.  You either do build your chopper/bobber your self in your own garage / backyard  or you don't brag about the result.

[Bob]

I neither believe Team Sky's results, nor the results of the riders in and around their paddock.

[Megatron1505]

Someone needs to explain to me how Real McCoys doing Buco named gear is any different to the American clothing company who licensed the name Von Dutch?

And I won't be accepting "but Real McCoys stuff is really well made, in Japan" as answer. So are many brands who aren't riding the Buco name.

[dylantbmayes]

Is anyone claiming that it's not the same, @Megatron1505?

It's licensing…

[Snowy]

^Is this an issue somewhere Mega? Sounds like there's a backstory not here Mega??

[davito]

Whats the background/issue Gav? They licensed it, like freewheelers licensed stifel etc

[Megatron1505]

No back story.

[davito]

I believe rmc owns now the license for buco brand (bügeleisen) but as with our japanese friends sometimes it's a bit complicated to keep the overview

[Megatron1505]

Then I guess my point being that the licensing of an iconic brand name, particularly when that name represent an individual, seems a little shallow and vacuous whether it is Buco or Von Dutch.

I get that the execution is markedly different in terms of quality, but still…

I like that brands are influenced by the classics, that's why they are classics, and interpreting or tweaking is one thing, but adding a label bearing the mans name just comes off a little lame to me.

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[dylantbmayes]

Was Buco not originally a brand though, started by Joseph Buegeleisen?

Von Dutch was an artist whose works were licensed and turned into a brand, like with Don Ed Hardy.

[Megatron1505]

Buco was an amalgamation of his name and the word corporation Bu-Co.

I understand the mechanics of why, I just don't think it's right.

[Snowy]

I'm still confused as to what you're trying to say, in either example.

[Seul]

@Megatron1505:

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Plus he's a fucking ginger…

[beautiful_FrEaK]

Same could be said about the Lee (Originals or Archives) that are licensed to Edwin, Warehouse and RMC?!

[Snowy]

So the opinion is Mega doesn't like Brand Licensing? got it

[Megatron1505]

@Snowy:

So the opinion is Mega doesn't like soulless Brand Licensing dressed up as something spectacular? got it

Good boy 

[davito]

@dylantbmayes:

Was Buco not originally a brand though, started by Joseph Buegeleisen?

Yup Buegeleisen from Detroit in the 30s to 50s. This is the license owned by rmc now afaik

origins of buco researched by himel

http://vintageleatherjackets.blogspot.ch/2013/12/the-origins-of-buco.html

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[Megatron1505]

Nice one David, I have no issue with Buco or their designs, just the use of the name on stuff not actually made by Buco (and yes the Lee thing irrationally irritates me too).