Can we fix it,,,yes we fekkin can,,,its defibrilator time
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The points raised about personal critique and a sometime "hive mentality" are valid. I've tried to agitate this artificially in the past through things like the Unpopular Opinions thread, I know that met with mixed response and caused a few spats but in a way that is what it was meant to do for those who needed it as an outlet (I know I did/ do).
I too miss the old days, and some of the old members, but past is past and I've learned over recent months that you can't change that. If anything I would say that the dynamic is much different these days to 2 or 3 years ago, it's a much more polite place to be and that has certainly come at the cost of some of the fun element, I talk to many members here via PM and other means and I know that some are struggling to connect with the forum these days, as Max said reaction is king and if people take an ambivalent attitude then that is what pervades through the forum.
Speaking personally, I like people who speak plainly, say it as you see it (which is exactly what Jeff has done here). I struggle with snide digs, double meanings and passive aggression (I'm not entirely sure I actually know what that is), keep it friendly but keep it honest. If someone is being a dick or looks like crap then do tell them…..nicely if possible. I know how good I am at making £2000 worth of clothing look like shit so it won't come as a surprise if someone tells me that.
I've made some good friends here, some of the friendships I haven't worked hard enough to maintain but that is me in real life too, I'm a lazy fucker, but this is not beyond repair here....we all just need to give it a little more attention.
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I will fly the flag for D666,,something was wrong with what he was seeing/experiencing with the forum,,he stood up,,glad he did,,kinda fired up the synapses a little.Change will always happen its inevitable,,we can control only so much ,,the rest is up to ,,well,,, add your own reason.Use it or lose it,,
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Maybe there are some similar tastes on here… We all love a nice Japanese motorcycle clothing brand, so it's not a huge surprise if there is some "groupthink."
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The entire planet is getting too pc, but that's probably another discussion…
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Yup,,,,,,fekkin treehuggers
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The wire season 4, and his name is Micheal
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I know it's The Wire, not sure what season, 3 maybe?
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Feck
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The wire season 4, and his name is Micheal
Well that's a free special beer of my choice for December in your next box (bitch)…
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It's known as Seul's Belgian Piss in a Bottle, vintage 2014. goes well with sharp cheese, tears, and baldness.
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That one paired well with loneliness and chocolate
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I am sure this post will upset a lot of people this is not my intension but, I refuse to go down without a fight. I am begging the mods to not delete this post it needs to be seen. I am not trying to rise against you, please rememeber I was once one of you. I only want this place to be fun again. I have spent way to much time on here and spent way too much money on Iron Heart to not give it one more final push.
I know all of you that have been here for a long time, feel the same way!
I challenge all of you to try and help make this place fun again. Be creative, think different!
I do have no fecking clue how you came up with, to even think about, a constructive post would get deleted in here. We have never done this, nor are we going to do this in the future.
I also do not see why anyone would get upset about this. It is a valid observation that the structure of the forum have changed over the years. It is sadly part of grow that once a group gets bigger, it will be getting less personal…The whole thing only works if anyone is willing to share and we are happy and thankful for anyone who spent time to post pictures and stuff. I agree with what Max said, that sometimes or a lot of times, contributions are not getting the attention they would deserve. However the thing about sharing for me, is the sharing itself and not some sort of reward with comments or reactions. But this might be a very isolated personal view on things.
There was never a word that you guys are not allowed to be open and honest against each other, as long as it is done in a at least half respectful way, you are more than welcome to do so. And also feel free to scratch the respectful, in case you wanna play with me, I don't mind.... PC is most of the time b/s in my book... rock n roll, ;)...
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Get your pitchforks ready.
Max that was an insightful post. I appreciate your posts & your honest none a$$kissing-hive-mentality-minions-posts. The dynamic has changed here where every post from G$ is meet with hive-fives & love. Don't get me wrong, I understand this is an IHUK forum & as such they are flipping the bill for us to put what is deemed appropriate . . . but come on. My direct problem is when forum member XXXX says he/she doesn't agree with what ever G's response in public is, "well it is my party & get out cause I said so." Everyone is subject to a bad day, but that is straight bull$hit & I don't agree with it. The only reason I didn't use the person I am talking about name is cause I honestly am not "friends" with the person & don't want to put him/her on blast.
Now let's be clear, I understand when I put my content on IHUK I have this platform because of IHUK & as such I have to play nice or by the rules set forth. Everyone wanting to feel free & all the other stuff it ain't happening. This is a forum for the discussion of Iron Heart gear. . . everything else is secondary. Did I have love for this place, abso-fucking-lut-100%-ly but do I also say to myself. I can talk to my one or two friends in real life who are local & like the same stuff & avoid the soap opera drama of this forum cause if I say something/anything the big cheese doesn't like I will be shunned by the rest of the crew. I shouldn't feel that way about posting here. If you been here long enough you have feelings about most regular posters & develop different relationships. When I wasn't posting much I had a few folks who would send me messages from time to time just checkin in on some regular nice people stuff. One or two of them where actual mods & I thought that was what this place should be really about. Hawking Iron Heart goods & making sure the community who purchases Iron Heart goods are taken care of.
People with a common interest who happen to take care of each other is a great thing.
Okay so after that blithering post, which I am too stubborn to delete, I'll make my points & intentions very clear.
I loved this forum
I love Iron Heart clothing
I like most forum members that are a bit off center & say things I may not agree with but at least have an opinion (4c, seul, max power, finn666, injunjack, mike c, adam the arty dude who broke out, even landocal)stop kissing a$$ & have an independent thought
okay go buy something
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I don’t think the issue is whether or not anyone feels like they can constructively criticize members. It’s a lot deeper than that. I was hoping that when Der666 decided to step down as a mod that would jolt some sense into this. If a seasoned forum member got to see how the internal structure of the forum is run and decided to leave because of it, that should set off a lot of bells. The forum has changed over the years and it was a great place with threads that stayed on track and had plenty of politically incorrect banter. I love Iron Heart clothing and the community that has been created from it. I posted a lot more back then because I loved showing all the details of clothing and how amazing the construction is. I felt like Iron Heart deserved as much exposure as it could get. I never felt like I needed to edit my posts because I might make giles/mods mad and ban me for it. Since Lando left/was banned/whatever the forum has slowly gone downhill and the final two blows were MikeC and Adam getting banned. When Lando was a mod I never even thought about mods. I saw them as people in the background carefully keeping things moving. That’s not how I feel now, I feel scared to post an opinion. A lot of members feel the same way and I hope they speak up as well. Hell, even Megatron left and made his own forum because of the exact same feelings awhile ago. I don’t necessarily think any of the mods need to change or anything like that, but please stop throwing it in our faces that this is a dictatorship. We get it. I just hope that you can drop the egos and see if there is anything you can do to make this a friendly place again.
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Wow I didn't know Mike was banned.
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Well said hopefully this will help people understand and lead the forum on track to recovery
