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    • winterlandW
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      What specific foods should I be eating? Are there certain superfoods that you recommend? I've mostly been eating goji berries, chia seeds, walnuts, high protein yogurt, salad, fish, blackberries, carrots, pomegranate, apples, bananas, and protein shakes the last two weeks.

      Watch the fruit and even carrots. Yes they are good for you but high in sugars. Berries are better.
      Get lots of broccoli. Such a good veggie. Chicken breasts are a good lean meat also.
      Chicken breast, broccoli and sweet potatoes has been one of my main meals.

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      • mclaincauseyM
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        Haha… so much conflicting advice, it's a hard question to get an answer to, and I'm about to make it worse. I'm going to go against Bags and say you shouldn't load up on protein. You probably don't need much more than 1 gram per pound of bodyweight even doing cardio, maybe a little more when you're trying to put on some lean body mass, and under almost no circumstances should it be over 2g/lb. Excess protein, just like excess fats and excess carbs, get stored as fat (or pooped out).

        And even though sweet potatoes are good for you, I don't think they are a good recommendation when you are trying to lose weight, as they are very starchy. Carbs are the enemy, they READILY convert into fat and can trigger hormonal responses that will keep you hungry. If you are focusing on putting muscle on, a sweet potato can be a good carb, but not IMO if you are trying to lose weight. I wholly agree with berries if you're going to eat carbs, and broccoli, and skinless chicken breast. I don't think you need more than a handful or two of berries a day for your carb load.

        Think it, be it.

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        • urbanwoodsmanU
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          Thanks guys. Yeah, there's a lot of info out there. I've been following reddit.com/r/Fitness/ which seems to have a lot of useful information in the sidebar.

          This was a good read
          http://liamrosen.com/fitness.html

          Good resources
          http://www.reddit.com/r/Fitness/wiki/resources

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          • DougNgD
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            I've been into fitness and working out since I was 14. I hate to say it, but a lot of figuring out what works and what doesn't is trial and error.

            What works for one person doesn't necessarily work for another

            I know violence is not the answer, I got it wrong on purpose

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            • DougNgD
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              @mclaincausey:

              Excess protein, just like excess fats and excess carbs, get stored as fat (or pooped out).

              I don't know if there has been any further research done on it, but when Atkins first became popular, there were also warnings that protein taken in excess can potentially overstress the kidneys

              I know violence is not the answer, I got it wrong on purpose

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              • Finn666F
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                @mclaincausey
                i would even say that your theory isn't quite right (at least for what i've experienced).

                5-6years ago i was in the best shape of my life, if i may do say so. i've worked out 3times a week, did cardio on my days off and used to eat after a certain meal plan for quite a long time (500-600kcal less than needed per day).

                gym:
                worked out my whole body each time i went. 10 different exercises inkl. warm up and cool down, so that'd be 8 different muscle exercises.

                cardio:
                30min. of riding my bike or running.

                meal plan: (waking up around 6am)
                after waking up: protein shake (30g protein + water)
                30-45min. later breakfast: protein shake (30g protein + 250ml 0.3% milk), 2 slices of whole grain bread + 30g peanut butter + 5g fish oil (omega 3)
                2-3h later: protein shake (with water) + good fats (2tbsp. linseed oil)
                2-3h later: tuna (in its own juice) + a handful of brazil nuts, a apple and a slice of whole grain bread
                2-3h later lunch: 250g chicken breast + broccoli + 50g rice (iirc) + 5g fish oil (omega 3)
                2-3h later: protein shake (with water) + good fats (2tbsp. linseed oil)
                2-3h later: 250g chicken breast + broccoli
                just before going to bed: protein shake (with water) + good fats (2tbsp. linseed oil) or other high protein meals such as an omelette, scrambled eggs with mushrooms or greek yoghurt with linseed oil and etc. …

                i think you get the deal!

                one just has to make sure to mix the right things together. always go protein+fat or protein+carbs.
                the combination of fat+carbs is the worst you can do imo!

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                • mclaincauseyM
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                  It's not my theory. Eating more protein than you need it either goes to fat or gets shit out. 4 calories per gram.

                  Agreed on fat plus carbs.

                  Think it, be it.

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                  • Finn666F
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                    @mclaincausey:

                    It's not my theory. Eating more protein than you need it either goes to fat or gets shit out.

                    Agreed on fat plus carbs.

                    should have said it differently…but i think you know what i mean 😉
                    and yeah, it's the same with everything else. too much of something good can be bad as well, we all agree on that.
                    in the end, one really has to find out what works best for "you" and your body. there are way too many ways and forms out there one can try, so it might take a little longer to find the "right" way of living/eating.

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                    • mclaincauseyM
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                      Agreed. I think your objectives and maybe your activity level were different than Shane's. If weight loss and not bulking up is the goal, I'd keep it under 2g/lb personally and focus on cutting carbs.

                      Think it, be it.

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                      • Finn666F
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                        cutting carbs is always a good thing to do when you want to lose weight.
                        i for myself though, i don't step on scales…the mirror is my scale. if i'm not satisfied with what i see, i know i have to do something again or a bit more again. scale just shows numbers which don't reflect the real you.
                        also i think that that whole bmi thing is fecked. it doesn't represent anything good...so i wouldn't listen to that at all!

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                        • GraemeG
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                          The trouble I have with diet is that there's a lot of unsupported opinion that's bandied around as scientific fact. From what I can gather:

                          • There doesn't appear to be any evidence in favour of low fat or low carb diets being superior in weight loss. Despite eating carbs, I'm down about 25 lbs this year. 🙂

                          • Total calories do matter.

                          • Meal timing and frequency doesn't make any real difference.

                          • Protein requirements for a novice strength athlete are about 1.7 or 1.8 grams per kilogram, a little under the 1 gram per pound figure that's banded around. Experienced or advanced athletes need less, around 1.2 grams per kilogram.

                          If you're interested in things with supportive research, then there's the Portfolio diet, which is effective against cholesterol; the DASH diet, which is for high blood pressure; and the Diogenes study, which was a European study into sustainable approaches to weight control.

                          I'm not entirely unconvinced by BMI in my old age. There have been a few studies that suggest the upper limit of lean mass in a drug free trainer is an adjusted FFMI (fat free mass index) of 25. That's calculated by working out the BMI without any bodyfat, and then applying a height normalisation factor to it.

                          For someone of my height (6'3" / 1.9 metres), that would work out as a limit of around 88 kg, and possibly less. So getting into the obese category would mean I'd be carrying at least 20% bodyfat, which is a bit more than is strictly healthy.

                          OK, if you're living on a diet of steroids then you can surpass that. But I remain to be convinced that's a healthy lifestyle choice. 🙂

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                          • mclaincauseyM
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                            I wouldn't dismiss low carb diets as not being backed in science, there is a huge body of science supporting them. The issue with nutritional science is that results are so broadly multifactorial and physiologies are so diverse that its been impossible to reach a consensus. There are numerous paths to transformation.

                            Think it, be it.

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                            • AppfaffA
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                              I have worked with hundreds of people on diets and exercise plans and one thing rings true - there is no one size fits all.  The first thing I have anyone do is to "clean it out" for 30 days - no grains, no dairy, just meat, seeds and veggies and a little Fruit.

                              After 30 days, add in small amounts of grains or dairy and see how your body reacts - if your gut isn't messed up, these things are probably fine in small doses.  I don't prefer calorie counting as it's easy to limit calories when you are not eating simple carbs (breads, pasta, rice, etc..) - it's actually "hard" to eat 2000calories of meat and veggies. Then you throw your body into calorie storing and you won't lose anymore weight.

                              My body dosnt do well with paleo - in order for me to have energy to lift (dynamic lifts and squats, not isolation or bodybuilding lifts) I need to up My fats too much and I store extra weight. I do much better on a zone prescription of around 19-21 blocks.  It is an archaic approach, but its super easy to weigh and measure fruits and veggies instead of trying to count micronutrients.

                              For weight loss, we usually go 0.75 grams of protein per pound of lean body mass and zone it based on the blocks needed to fulfill the Rx.  For athletes looking to advance in performance or build lean mass, we up it to 1.0-1.25grams pro per 1pound lean body mass.

                              As for workouts, losing weight will take time and volume, and too much time spent either on long slow cardio OR low volume high weight reps will cause decreases in fat loss - we need a good mixture. Think Monday heavy weight (20-30 minutes) then Tabata body weight movements or running/rowing/biking for 4-8 rounds. Tuesday moderate anaerobic output + moderate aerobic output (think long interval training where the work is performanced at a high output and the total time is 30 ish minutes (my
                              Favorite is 800m run / 400m run / 200m run rest 1:1 after each round x 3). Wednesday Moderate weights and 10-15 minutes of cardio (circuit training is better for aesthetics than simple state cardio IMHO) - rest Thursday and repeat cycle.  Plyometric and calisthenic work is great for building lean muscle but lean muscle ain't worth crap if you don't have strong bones and joints from heavy weightlifting to support the frame.

                              Just my 35cents lol sorry for the long post and any misspellings - on my
                              Phone

                              Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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                              • DougNgD
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                                I'll also add that if you have a buddy that's really into working out, just do what he/she does with them

                                I can dissect all my workouts I've done over the last twenty years, but honestly, the best shape I was ever in was when I was routinely training with a guy that was 6'3", 230lbs, and could squat 6 plates on each side all day long

                                You just wind up pushing each other into great shape

                                I know violence is not the answer, I got it wrong on purpose

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                                • AppfaffA
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                                  Always great advice!

                                  Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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                                  • DougNgD
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                                    Disclaimer: I could never catch up with him 😉

                                    I know violence is not the answer, I got it wrong on purpose

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                                    • urbanwoodsmanU
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                                      @DougNg:

                                      I'll also add that if you have a buddy that's really into working out, just do what he/she does with them

                                      I can dissect all my workouts I've done over the last twenty years, but honestly, the best shape I was ever in was when I was routinely training with a guy that was 6'3", 230lbs, and could squat 6 plates on each side all day long

                                      You just wind up pushing each other into great shape

                                      This is what I always had in Florida. There were 4-5 of us that went to the gym to lift and to play indoor racquetball 4-5 times a week. It's so much easier to stay on track when you have people pushing you to be better. And of course there's a little competition there too.

                                      I have one buddy that could potentially work out with me but we have different schedules and we're both out of town a lot.

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                                      • DougNgD
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                                        The other thing that's worked pretty good for me is either working out at home or working out someplace where it's really convenient. That way, on days you're not particularly motivated to work out, you can use it as an excuse to procrastinate other things

                                        I've personally found that consistency in doing your workouts (not necessarily doing the same thing day after day, month after month) is more important than what your workout actually is

                                        It's not an accident that I work out about the same time the dog needs to take a gigantic shit every day

                                        And if you guys rat me out to Jody I'll kick your ass

                                        I know violence is not the answer, I got it wrong on purpose

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                                        • urbanwoodsmanU
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                                          Interesting article about dieting

                                          http://www.simplyshredded.com/layne-norton-the-most-effective-cutting-diet.html

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                                          • winterlandW
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                                            @urbanwoodsman:

                                            Interesting article about dieting

                                            http://www.simplyshredded.com/layne-norton-the-most-effective-cutting-diet.html

                                            Thanks.  Very informative article.

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