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    The 2014 FIFA World Cup

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    • mclaincauseyM
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      Well, the last I'll say on it is that complaining about cheating while defending a system that rewards it and rhapsodizing/romanticizing cheating in another instance with Maradona doesn't seem consistent to me. I'm not saying replay is warranted per se, they actually already have the ability to show cards for flops and they need to be doing it more.

      EPL has goal cam technology, so to say it is or isn't a football culture thing to want fairness doesn't seem correct either. Someone in England obviously wanted the human element given a little help, and to me there's no reason not to extend that technology to offsides. In US sports where replay has been rolled out, you also had people who wanted it, and people who wanted to keep more of the imperfect human element in key decisive moments.

      Think it, be it.

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      • Chiba J.C
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        +1 to all of that.

        Even sumo, the most traditional sport around, uses instant replay!

        (not that I necessarily support "instant replay" for soccer, just would like to see some sort of surveillance/punishment of diving. I mean if they used replay to locate a bite, certainly they can do the same for a dive).

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          When the game was solely played in England, by gentlemen, referees and other such irritating and interfering officials weren't even required. It was only the international uptake of the sport by Johnny Foreigner that introduced the concepts of cheating and foul play, thereby requiring referees to arbitrate and enforce the rules. A return to the English Corinthian spirit by all will once again render these petty bureaucrats redundant.

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          • Megatron1505M
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            Mac, I never said that any of it is consistent and indeed it shouldn't be. It should be contradictory and infuriating and unfair because that is where the debate and the passion lies. If it were simple, automated and inherently fair then it would also be devastatingly sterile and boring.

            Made in England, clothed in Japan, fed in America and drunk in Belgium !

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            • gbougardG
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              @Maynard:

              When the game was solely played in England, by gentlemen, referees and other such irritating and interfering officials weren't even required. It was only the international uptake of the sport by Johnny Foreigner that introduced the concepts of cheating and foul play, thereby requiring referees to arbitrate and enforce the rules. A return to the English Corinthian spirit by all will once again render these petty bureaucrats redundant.

              And imagine if Johnny Foreigner had not been authorized to play football. England might have won another world cup (or maybe two, but I doubt it, they are so great at not winning)

              Sly Dunbar bigs up IH on YT
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t2OM738mKY
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              Gregory Isaacs Liveth 4 I-ver

              Renault: What in heaven’s name brought you to Casablanca?
              Rick: My health. I came to Casablanca for the waters.
              Renault: The waters? What waters? We’re in the desert.
              Ric

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                In truth, if England had entered the World Cup in 1930, 34 and 38, we'd probably have won the tournament 4 times by now!  😉

                It's also important to remember that it wouldn't be a World Cup if England was the only participant - note to our transatlantic cousins!

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                • mclaincauseyM
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                  @Maynard:

                  The semi-final of the 1968 European Championships between Italy and USSR saw Italy progress after a drawn game as the result of a coin toss. Compared to that a penalty shoutout seems very fair and progressive!

                  I was reading a study by LSE which said that there's a 60/40 advantage for the team which shoots first, so the comparison may not be as farfetched as you might think!

                  Drawing lots is indeed a sorry way to determine a match, and a disservice to the athletes to have all their skills and efforts determined arbitrarily by some outside force (wink).

                  I like this concept very much: http://www.theadgalternative.com/

                  Think it, be it.

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                  • SeulS
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                    Robben shopping:

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                    • bagley920B
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                      The teammate is the best part of that!

                      If I am not I, who will be? -Henry David Thoreau

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                      • 501IH5
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                        Our British friends here suffer from no lack of patriotism …..
                        Am watching the French struggling with Nigeria (where did their game go?) and we are all a little on edge here before the evening game of the German team.

                        Keep your jeans on–-and let nothing come in between you and the denim !

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                        • 501IH5
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                          Can't believe how poorly the Germans play. 35 minutes out of the first half, clear Algerian superiority. Very concerning….

                          Keep your jeans on–-and let nothing come in between you and the denim !

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                          • Megatron1505M
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                            The Algerians have really surprised me so far, great first half.

                            Made in England, clothed in Japan, fed in America and drunk in Belgium !

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                            • mclaincauseyM
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                              It seemed to me like Germany upped there game towards the end of the half but I was surprised by the first half, and I'd be a bit concerned if I were Germany.

                              Think it, be it.

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                              • 501IH5
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                                I think we all were, mclain. The Algerians were not desert foxes, but rather lions. Germany was lucky, their goalie Manuel Neuer saved them a number of times, and our nerves are in tatters. Against France in the quarters a whole different ball game (sorry for the pun) will be required.

                                Keep your jeans on–-and let nothing come in between you and the denim !

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                                • mclaincauseyM
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                                  Muller had a bad day and still came away with an assist. I am pulling for you against the French. Algeria put forth a very impressive effort!

                                  Think it, be it.

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                                  • seanoconoS
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                                    ^Yeah, they did.  Congrats to our German friends for escaping a tough opponent while not playing their best.

                                    I can't wait to cheer for the home team tomorrow.  I've been rehearsing my "duck out of work strategy" for days.

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                                    • ChrisC
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                                      Does it involve some sort of injury, like in Seul's post?

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                                      • Chiba J.C
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                                        Looks like Altidore is potentially available for tomorrow.

                                        http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jun/30/jozy-altidore-ready-belgium-usa-klinsmann-referee

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                                        • seanoconoS
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                                          @Chris:

                                          Does it involve some sort of injury, like in Seul's post?

                                          Haha. No it involves scheduling "meetings" on the other side of town, and then reporting back later with a tale of an unbelievable traffic jam.

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                                          • seanoconoS
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                                            I hope Jürgen starts him. We are tougher to defend with Jozy in the lineup.

                                            I have a feeling he will be coming off the bench, though.

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