Unpopular opinions
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I don't agree that Roy is over priced. First, the level of detail on his work is quite high - obsessive even. Second, As a one man shop he is limited to the quantity he can produce, so he has to charge what the market will bear to make a living. Third, his stuff sells FAST. If people are willing to pay you $360 for every pair of jeans you make, with virtually nothing left sitting on the shop floor after a week, why would you charge less?
The good thing is, because there's such hype around his stuff, you can usually get decent deals from people who buy in the frenzy and then realize it's not for them.
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^I'm starting to agree on the overpriced thing. $360 bucks for 11oz jeans now?!
Weight correlates to price now ?? More than material sourcing, workmanship and dare I say it….exclusivity?!?! If you voice this opinion on SuFu they will eat you.
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Roy's are anything but overpriced! One man, doing something extremely well. Shit, overpriced, go buy some fucking lucky's realize what soul is and come back and make a statement like that. Guessing those who say Roy's items are overpriced have either not owned any or are just blind to what it takes to create said items…Not to mention making a profit, fucking A, why should Roy eat right! GO SHOP FOR SOME SHIT MADE IN CHINA, that should be in your price point, haters!
unpopular enough for y'all?
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Roy is definitely not getting $360 for a pair of jeans he made. He is making a living (perhaps a decent living).
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He used to sell them on his own for 150. Then kiya started selling them exclusively and they shot up to 340, you do the math. "Hey roy, ill pay you 170 a pair if I can sell them exclusively." End of story
Mofos got to get that paper!!
I used to sell gardening equipment. My wholesale price was half retail 85 percent of the time
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That's capitalism… Nothing about that bothers me in any way. If it's good for Roy, good for him.
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Kiya supplies the infrastructure and logistical support, Roy gets to concentrate on making the product; both make money. Nothing wrong with that at all.
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Brawny Man got it goin on. In one version he has on an IHSH-51 and in another an IHSH-49.
Now I understand the Burly-Episode of the Simpsons. Thank you. And I think I will never own a Roy product, even if they look like they're made with huge craftmanship. Especially in jeans my first and main attention is drawn to the fabric - and when I see Cone, I'm out. Wether they're loomstate or not - i simply find it boring. And as long as there are japanese fabrics available for a cheaper or equal price, I'll get those.
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@Max:
And I think I will never own a Roy product, even if they look like they're made with huge craftmanship. Especially in jeans my first and main attention is drawn to the fabric - and when I see Cone, I'm out. Wether they're loomstate or not - i simply find it boring. And as long as there are japanese fabrics available for a cheaper or equal price, I'll get those.
This entirely, the fabric has to be interesting which is why I think it's great that IH are developing new denims rather than new cuts.
Anything with a 14oz cone mills, kaihara or kuroki stock fabric just doesn't cut it for me, it's why I find so many of these kick starter brands so dull. Give me innovation or give me death
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Just to quantify my last statement, obviously I don't mean that the fabric is more important than the craft. I need interesting fabric and top quality manufacturing to get me interested these days.
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Totally agree on the kickstarter brands using Cone Mills denim and innovative pocket designs.
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Also agree. For curiosities sake though… Does anyone know why Roy does not journey outside of Cone?
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He did before (Japanese, Nihon Menpu) but now he has the rare opportunity to develop his own stuff directly with Cone.
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Ahh… I see thank bF I did not realize that, I'm not well versed in ROY, while it's attention to detail is great, like MP stated, the Roy I have seen are just kind of boring
