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    • Finn666F
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      I've found a nice app called "Paleo Central"…it's a bit over a dollar but it's like a "Paleo yes or no?" dictionary for food!
      type in the things you're not that sure about and you either get a thumb up or down...works pretty good when on grocery shopping!

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      • mclaincauseyM
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        Agree, sort of.  But I think a blanket condemnation of fructose based on the metabolic channel it takes through the liver isn't fair.  The reason fructose has correlated to non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, obesity, and diabetes is probably more to do with the delivery and volume you get from drinking a 32 oz soda than from eating an apple.

        Beyond the buffering of dietary fiber, there are all kinds of nice micronutrients in an orange or a banana.  I go for diversity in moderation.  I think this graphic sums it up well:

        Also, the whole "eating fruit is not paleo" argument is wholly invalid.  We can debate the merits of fruit in the diet, but EVERY paleo diet has copious fruit, especially for healthy, active people, to fuel our activities.  Just look at a google search and show me the paleo diet that says fruit is bad: Google query: paleo fruit

        And then you might subdivide the fruits and veggies from there and weight them away from, say, 3 bananas a day or something like that.  I don't think it makes sense to just eat berries for your fruit.  YMMV.

        Think it, be it.

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        • simoncS
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          yeah you'll notice the fruit are berries in the pic, not bananas or oranges which are full of sugar and or carbs.

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          • specmvlS
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            As far as I´ve understood the concept of paleo the amount of meat/fish in this pyramid is exaggerated by far.

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            • mclaincauseyM
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              Yeah and there are eggs at bottom, which isn't the basis for protein I'm any paleo diet–I'd not read too much into that.  Strawberries are absolutely loaded with sugar too.

              I would probably have fruits and veggies at the bottom, weighted towards veggies, and then meats above that but there are a ton of different approaches.

              Think it, be it.

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              • simoncS
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                nah bro strawberries have only 6 net grams of carbohydrate per 100 grams. That means that if you take a 50 gram serving and slice those strawberries up into some cream, you’ll only be consuming 3 grams of carbohydrate! mmm I love strawberries and cream

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                • mclaincauseyM
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                  Let me give you an example why it's bad to obsessively focus on certain low carb fruits. Consider raisins. These are very high in sugar. They are also quite alkaline. Therefore, they are helpful in trying to maintain a Ph-balanced diet, a key paleo principle. That's what I'm getting at. Diversity. I wouldn't let carbophobia deprive your body of healthful contributions from fruit.

                  Pomegranates are chock full of sugar. But they also provide fiber and antioxidants.

                  There's not as far as I know a perfect fruit that delivers all the nutrients you need.

                  Think it, be it.

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                  • specmvlS
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                    You´re right, a lot of approaches out there. I´m with you, in terms of quantities veggies are probably at the bottom.

                    Yesterday I had (along with some chicken) Zucchini "spaghetti" with parsley, garlic, some chopped almonds and olive oil. Couldn´t believe how good it was.

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                    • seanoconoS
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                      Nice app, Finn. Thanks.

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                      • Finn666F
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                        ^ not a problem buddy! also if you are looking for some variations through the day…instagram features a whole lot of different recipes (from different people) and blogs through the whole damn thing!
                        pretty great imo. also gives you some new ideas for prepping dinner and so on...

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                        • seanoconoS
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                          Cool. Good tip.

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                          • Finn666F
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                            @FurattoHeddo:

                            Are you doing one of the "diets" (Paleo or Whole30)?

                            I think you got that right Tom!
                            today was day 7 for me. gonna step on the scale in the morning to compare the new to the old weight I started with on monday!
                            (even though I don't care about numbers that much! for me it's all about the way you feel and look.)

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                            • Finn666F
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                              @seanocono:

                              Feels good, doesn't it? I'm at 4 weeks, minus two nights of beer slip-ups. It's amazing how upset my stomach was after a couple nights of light drinking. Cutting all the grains/wheat/starches out really does make a difference, for me.

                              Anyone had any experience with Gluten-free beer? Is it even worth it?

                              • I apologize for two derailments in one post -

                              feels really great i have to say. missing nothing so far tbh.!
                              the power is the same (if not even more) as with using/eating carbs. took a bit for me to get used to it, like 3-4days, but now everything´s perfect…
                              never heard of gluten-free beer tbh., maybe eli can tell us more about it?! 🙂

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                              • seanoconoS
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                                Much better place for this convo. Thanks.

                                Gluten-free beer is increasing in popularity here in Southern California. Gluten-free diets are kind of the new trend. I've never tried the GF beers, but I will check some out, eventually, and report back.

                                I can't imagine that they're any good, but who knows.

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                                • Finn666F
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                                  well i couldn´t imagine life without bread, pasta or french fries, so who knows…might taste great as well! 😉

                                  tomorrow it´s pancakes time for the first time. found a nice (yet to be confirmed) recipe that i´m gonna try before working out!

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                                  • Finn666F
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                                    so what to say…
                                    i´m on day 9 today and there´s nothing i´m missing so far.
                                    couldn´t be happier and i´m really happy to say, that starting with this "program" really was one of my best moves so far. feeling stronger and fitter from day to day.

                                    started with 214lbs. and after one week i´m done 5lbs. (3x gym and 1x cardio during the week!)...

                                    so thanks to all the guys introducing this to me...love ya 😘

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                                    • Finn666F
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                                      today´s gonna be the first night i´m consuming some none paleo alcohol, after almost two weeks just green tea and water! already feeling bad even though i haven´t had a single nip so far :-\

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                                      • simoncS
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                                        dude white spirits with soda or sugar free mixer is cool, no sugars there.  Also a glass of white wine is low on carbs too.  how's the weight drop how much have you lost?

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                                        • Finn666F
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                                          so today is day29 into paleo, which also means it´s the 2nd to last day before i´m done with my first "whole30" challenge.

                                          so far i´ve lost 11lbs. (first two weeks i went to the gym like 3times a week, then i got inked and had to stop working out for the last 2weeks, only a 4min. tabata workout each morning), so i think if i´d have been able to work out during the whole 30 days, i would have lost a lot more (thinking 15-20lbs.)!
                                          the only "bad thing" i did during those 30days was that i had 2-3nights of drinking alcohol on the weekends…during the week i only had tap water and green tea.
                                          diet-related i always was at 100% though, so no hard feelings about those 2-3nights tbh. ...

                                          i´m totally satisfied and happy with the actual situation though 😘
                                          i´ve discovered my love for cooking (and taking pics of it ^^ ), i have way more power during the whole day. no more problems with going to bed at a certain time and also my sleep/sleeping habbits have improved a lot as well. my skin got better and i´m about to get back in shape again...back to the "old me" i was like 4years ago (still some work to do though!).

                                          **so i have to say trying this was one of the best moves i´ve made during the last few months/years, considering i´m a guy that likes to eat a lot and a lot of almost everything…everything bad 😛 so personally spoken, cutting back on all the bad stuff = carbs and sugars was definitely the right way to go!
                                          all in all i´m pretty happy and satisfied at the same time, that i´ve went for all of this and tbh. i´m definitely going to keep on going...not gonna stop after those 30days are over, that´s for sure!

                                          so thanks to all of those that brought paleo into my life (Jeff and Gav especially!)...thanks y´all!**

                                          btw. here are some great infos for all those that want to start with the "whole 30" program, about what´s ok to have and about things you shouldn´t eat during your own "whole30":

                                          http://whole9life.com/2013/06/the-official-can-i-have-guide-to-the-whole30/
                                          …just found out about it, but i def. won´t cut back on eating my beloved pancakes (not really satisfied with the explanation why eating eggs and a banana shouldn´t be the same as eating eggs + a banana, mixed together cooked in a pan!?). at the same time i won´t hold back with eating 85% chocolate from time to time…don´t think that those two things are going to "ruin" the whole "result" of this program, so i´m still going to enjoy eating those things!

                                          thanks for your time guys, i´m out, peace!...

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                                          • Finn666F
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                                            since we´re posting pics of our naked upper bodies in the tattoo thread, i think it´s ok for me (and you) to show you this one as well…

                                            pre (214lbs.) and post (202lbs.) photos after my whole30 journey - infos in the post above!

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