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    • Finn666F
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      thanks lad, sounds good to me! not sure if i can do steak in the morning though 😛 need some eggs and maybe something else like berries and yoghurt (thanks simon!)…
      i use omega3 and zinc chelat pills, as well as one or two whey protein shakes a day...just as "support" and directly after a session at the gym i.e.!

      the last meal is going to be some thuna with a handful nuts or 2 spoons of linsead oil and maybe some veggies!

      had this today already:

      1. whey protein shake!

      2. breakfast (30min. after 1)!)

      3. whey protein shake 30min. before workout + 2 spoons linseed oil

      4. whey protein shake direct after workout

      5. post workout meal (30-60min. after 4))

      6. low fat quark + 1 spoon linseed + handful almonds + tiny tiny bit of jam

      edit: added 6)

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      • mclaincauseyM
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        Look aces to me, brotha!

        Think it, be it.

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        • simoncS
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          yeah i second bob on above, Raffa you are cutting like me, so make sure its always *full fat Greek Style Yogurt, strained, as FF has no carbs in it.  Same as full fat milk that too is good.  Carbs are your enemy for cutting you can take only 30-40 grams a day until fat burning stops and fat growing edges.  So 30 grams is like two slices of toast, small bag crisps, he he he, so use your carbs carefully, ie. eat really brown carbs, as at least those carbs have the fiber for roughage, ie dark german bread versus baguette (sad face bro).

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          • Finn666F
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            I love dark german bread so that shouldn't be a problem but I think I'm going to cut'em all with no excuses, so no bread for me I guess!

            btw. my final meal of the day was:
            6) ~350g low fat quark + 1 spoon linseed oil + handful almonds + tiny tiny bit of jam to add some flavor

            so let's see how day's going to start…so after day 1 is almost over I have to say that i don't have a feeling that something (carbs) was missing. the gym workout was dope as well...let's see if I do say the same thing after being a few days/weeks into it though 😛

            tomorrow i'll do some pre diet measuring and pics ^^

            thanks a lot y'all! much appreciated...

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            • simoncS
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              simple trick is nothing white with meal; bread, rice, pasta, potato.

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              • toddjcoleyT
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                Today is my second day of diet and have to say I feel a lot less hungry inbetween meals.

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                • bagley920B
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                  How do you guys do your lunches? Hard for me to bring anything other than salad to work and salad dressing doesn't seem to be paleo or whole 30

                  If I am not I, who will be? -Henry David Thoreau

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                  • simoncS
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                    Try bringing in boiled eggs even chopping them into a salad, a stick of kebanos is a great snack.

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                    • Finn666F
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                      @toddjcoley:

                      Today is my second day of diet and have to say I feel a lot less hungry inbetween meals.

                      was/is also my 2nd day today…thing go pretty well so far. not hungry at all between the meals but i always look forward to the next meal tbh. 😃

                      now it´s time to prepare the last meal...omelet time 😘

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                      • mclaincauseyM
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                        Salad dressing can be very paleo, olive oil is not contraindicated by any paleo diets I've read, though it is slanted towards omega 6 in terms of omega 3: omega 6 ratio.  I think an oil and vinegar with garlic and fresh herbs dressing is a great way to eat a salad.

                        One of my favorite things to do is to get wild caught Alaskan coho (you Europeans have ease access to Atlantic salmon, I reckon, which has as good or omega profile as coho) and to blend olive oil, dill, salt (yeah, not paleo, but I'm sparing with it), pepper, garlic, and lemon, top the fish with that on a cedar plank that's soaked in water for 4+ hours, let it marinade to room temperature, and grill it on the plank to rare.  Throw that on some greens (including baby spinach) and use the rest of the marinade as dressing (I don't mean marinade the fish has been in, I mean I make more than is needed to top the fish and use the remainder of that), and toss.  It's simple, delicious, and extremely healthy.

                        Think it, be it.

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                        • mclaincauseyM
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                          @Finn666:

                          @toddjcoley:

                          Today is my second day of diet and have to say I feel a lot less hungry inbetween meals.

                          was/is also my 2nd day today…thing go pretty well so far. not hungry at all between the meals but i always look forward to the next meal tbh. 😃

                          now it´s time to prepare the last meal...omelet time 😘

                          High protein and high fiber promote satiety!

                          Think it, be it.

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                            @mclaincausey:

                            Fruit is not a no-no and is indicated by every paleo diet I've seen. Fruit without dietary fiber is the no-no, like OJ.

                            In the paleo diet you don't take much fruit, main reason being the high glycemic index and the high amount of fructose.
                            Berries have a very good profile in these respects. Also melon (cantaloupe) and grapes.
                            Bananas and oranges are on the other end of the spectrum.
                            Of course one can modify, but little fruit would be the general paleo style.
                            There are even proponents like Paul Jaminet (Perfect Health Diet) who advocate to have some sugar from time to time like in icecream. What they recommend to avoid is fructose. It can a.o. ultimately lead to a fatty liver.
                            They also recommend to get some carbs like white rice.
                            My experience is one can go for a few or months without any carbs (of course vegetables, but no grains like rice or starchy tubers) but then one needs to occassionally fill up with carbs (carb loading). For this sweet potato and white rice seem to be very good. That has also been my experience.

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                            • Finn666F
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                              I've found a nice app called "Paleo Central"…it's a bit over a dollar but it's like a "Paleo yes or no?" dictionary for food!
                              type in the things you're not that sure about and you either get a thumb up or down...works pretty good when on grocery shopping!

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                              • mclaincauseyM
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                                Agree, sort of.  But I think a blanket condemnation of fructose based on the metabolic channel it takes through the liver isn't fair.  The reason fructose has correlated to non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, obesity, and diabetes is probably more to do with the delivery and volume you get from drinking a 32 oz soda than from eating an apple.

                                Beyond the buffering of dietary fiber, there are all kinds of nice micronutrients in an orange or a banana.  I go for diversity in moderation.  I think this graphic sums it up well:

                                Also, the whole "eating fruit is not paleo" argument is wholly invalid.  We can debate the merits of fruit in the diet, but EVERY paleo diet has copious fruit, especially for healthy, active people, to fuel our activities.  Just look at a google search and show me the paleo diet that says fruit is bad: Google query: paleo fruit

                                And then you might subdivide the fruits and veggies from there and weight them away from, say, 3 bananas a day or something like that.  I don't think it makes sense to just eat berries for your fruit.  YMMV.

                                Think it, be it.

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                                • simoncS
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                                  yeah you'll notice the fruit are berries in the pic, not bananas or oranges which are full of sugar and or carbs.

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                                  • specmvlS
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                                    As far as I´ve understood the concept of paleo the amount of meat/fish in this pyramid is exaggerated by far.

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                                    • mclaincauseyM
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                                      Yeah and there are eggs at bottom, which isn't the basis for protein I'm any paleo diet–I'd not read too much into that.  Strawberries are absolutely loaded with sugar too.

                                      I would probably have fruits and veggies at the bottom, weighted towards veggies, and then meats above that but there are a ton of different approaches.

                                      Think it, be it.

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                                      • simoncS
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                                        nah bro strawberries have only 6 net grams of carbohydrate per 100 grams. That means that if you take a 50 gram serving and slice those strawberries up into some cream, you’ll only be consuming 3 grams of carbohydrate! mmm I love strawberries and cream

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                                        • mclaincauseyM
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                                          Let me give you an example why it's bad to obsessively focus on certain low carb fruits. Consider raisins. These are very high in sugar. They are also quite alkaline. Therefore, they are helpful in trying to maintain a Ph-balanced diet, a key paleo principle. That's what I'm getting at. Diversity. I wouldn't let carbophobia deprive your body of healthful contributions from fruit.

                                          Pomegranates are chock full of sugar. But they also provide fiber and antioxidants.

                                          There's not as far as I know a perfect fruit that delivers all the nutrients you need.

                                          Think it, be it.

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                                          • specmvlS
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                                            You´re right, a lot of approaches out there. I´m with you, in terms of quantities veggies are probably at the bottom.

                                            Yesterday I had (along with some chicken) Zucchini "spaghetti" with parsley, garlic, some chopped almonds and olive oil. Couldn´t believe how good it was.

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