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    Seul
    Joined: 24 Nov 2009

    He had that other French thing going though: being an insufferable arsehole…

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      babyknight
      啓蒙家
      Joined: 19 Feb 2011

      LOL…

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        Giles
        IHUK Crew
        Joined: 22 Sept 2009

        Not F1, but what a cock up…..

        "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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          CLJ
          Raw and Unwashed
          Joined: 26 Feb 2012

          Grosjean should thank his lucky stars that fuck up didn't end up killing Alonso. I can't imagine what possessed him to just dive into Hamilton's car like that. A real testament to the safety of these cars now. Knocked two WC's and title contenders out of the points for this race, changed the championship up a bit. Spa is always an exciting time for better or worse.

          Just glad everyone got away breathing and upright.

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            zwer
            Raw and Unwashed
            Joined: 11 Apr 2012

            Cars in the air is always a scary thing. Looks like there will be full head protection for 2014.

            I think a lot of the problems at the start were caused by the smoke coming out of Kobyashi's car. They should have red flagged the start, got the car off the grid and started again.

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              Mild7
              Joined: 3 May 2012

              Yeah I agree.. I was just waiting for flames to emerge from each corner of Sauber!  I also think that Maldonado's jumped start helped to add to the confusion from the get go.

              All of that aside, Grosjean is damn lucky Alonso is still walking.  Bonehead move of the season, and that's saying something..

              Head protection worries me a bit. I can't see how they can achieve something useful without it turning into closed cockpits.  What then, enclosed wheel arches?

              Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

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                zwer
                Raw and Unwashed
                Joined: 11 Apr 2012

                My thoughts exactly. Is the logical conclusion sports cars?

                Supposedly they're working on a 'cage' system that minimizes the amount that the driver's view is blocked. I reckon the other big challenge is how do you get the driver out in event of a rollover/fire?

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                  CLJ
                  Raw and Unwashed
                  Joined: 26 Feb 2012

                  @zwer:

                  My thoughts exactly. Is the logical conclusion sports cars?

                  Supposedly they're working on a 'cage' system that minimizes the amount that the driver's view is blocked. I reckon the other big challenge is how do you get the driver out in event of a rollover/fire?

                  Asked and answered the big question right there. A rolled over car with a closed cockpit thats bursting into flames. Thats the nightmare situation trying to be avoided.

                  I don't believe a close cockpit and closed wheel arches are able to go away and the sport still remain 'Formula 1'. I think a higher shelf around the drivers head but still remaining open would be a 'best possible' solution.

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                    zwer
                    Raw and Unwashed
                    Joined: 11 Apr 2012

                    IndyCar is running a rear bumper system on their new car and it's not terrible looking. Preventing cars from launching off of the rear wheels is more important than closing in the cockpit in my mind.

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                      Giles
                      IHUK Crew
                      Joined: 22 Sept 2009

                      Call me head in the sand if you like.  But without some risk, they may as well be playing tiddlywinks, and I would contend that a lot of us watch it to see the big prangs.  And the last death in F1 was 1994 and a cage would not have helped….

                      "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                        Chris
                        Raw and Unwashed
                        Joined: 28 Jun 2010

                        Senna got impaled on his steering column, didn't he?  Safety has gotten dramatically better since that tragedy.

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                          zwer
                          Raw and Unwashed
                          Joined: 11 Apr 2012

                          Actually, a cage might have helped - Senna's helmet was pierced by a right front suspension piece that came back up into the cockpit.

                          But, I'm with you, Giles. I haven't got used to the closed cockpits they have now, let alone the coming changes. Formula One is supposed to be dangerous. While I don't miss gravel traps, per se, I am a bit tired of drivers being able to make monumental mistakes and get away with it.

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                            Mild7
                            Joined: 3 May 2012

                            I agree with Giles here.. F1 is the only 4 wheel motorsport I watch religiously, and it the open air design were to go away, then i probably will too.

                            Rear bumper is interesting.  The reason Grosjean was launched over Alonso was (as far as i can see) due to the fact that Lewis was attached to the rear of grosjean.  Lewis had no steering but his rear wheels still driving the Lotus up and over the Ferrari.  Perhaps if Lewis had hit a Lotus bumper the whole thing would have been a lot less severe?  Who knows.

                            Having said all that, death is extremely rare in the highest form of motorsport we have.  Not bad if you ask me.

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                              CLJ
                              Raw and Unwashed
                              Joined: 26 Feb 2012

                              @Mild7:

                              Lewis had no steering but his rear wheels still driving the Lotus up and over the Ferrari.  Perhaps if Lewis had hit a Lotus bumper the whole thing would have been a lot less severe?  Who knows

                              Lewis wouldn't have hit the back of the Lotus at all. Grosjean side-swiped the McLaren, which then swung the Lotus in front of the McLaren pushing it over the front of the Ferrari which was banking into the corner.

                              Lane discipline and respect for other drivers is far more important than added safety features. This was caused by human error not mechanical failure. In short: the driver fucked up.

                              I agree with all of you: open wheel and open cockpit define Formula 1.  😘

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                                babyknight
                                啓蒙家
                                Joined: 19 Feb 2011

                                Preview of the 2013 F1 race in NJ, including the US national anthem "played" using an F1 engine at the start…

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                                  Mild7
                                  Joined: 3 May 2012

                                  Good luck in Monza JB.  2 for 2!

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                                    Giles
                                    IHUK Crew
                                    Joined: 22 Sept 2009

                                    Love the little inbuilt jacks, so they can get the car of it's wheels super quick…

                                    A few tyres -  14 used over the weekend at USD600 a pop - it all starts to mount up

                                    This is all I am allowed to drive

                                    Refuelling the manual way - can still dump about 50 litres in 3 secs

                                    Ben straps Alex in

                                    "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                                      Giles
                                      IHUK Crew
                                      Joined: 22 Sept 2009

                                      The F3 boys in the garage next door

                                      IMO - pure sex

                                      McLaren

                                      Lambo

                                      Beamer

                                      Subtle rear wing

                                      McLaren

                                      Ferrari

                                      Ferrari 275GTS - we reckon about USD8M worth

                                      "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                                        Megatron1505
                                        見習いボス
                                        Joined: 10 Jul 2011

                                        Wow  ???

                                        I know nothing about Motor Sport, but just about any man has a primal reaction to beautiful, loud, fast, classic cars  😘

                                        Made in England, clothed in Japan, fed in America and drunk in Belgium !

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                                          Mild7
                                          Joined: 3 May 2012

                                          Yeah nice pics Giles.

                                          Silverstone is on my list.. Lucky man.

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