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    • GilesG
      Giles
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      Freedom of Speech - Bollocks…..

      "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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      • ChrisC
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        There are actually people arguing that they have some sort of freedom of speech right on an online forum?  I really wish folks would get it through their heads that the Constitutional right to free speech only controls governmental restriction of public speech.  Non-governmental owners of private spaces can regulate in any way they want, reasonable or not.  You have zero rights on an online forum.  None.  If you disagree, then leave; that's your only "right".

        Just to be clear, that's totally fine with me.:)

        Having said that, fakes are wrong on every level.  I also participate on watchuseek, and discussion of counterfeit products is strictly forbidden.  Some try to skirt the ban with justifications of "replicas" and "homages“, but frankly, that's sh!t.  I've never heard a remotely compelling reason for purchasing counterfeit goods.

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        • Megatron1505M
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          I have purchased counterfeit goods in my younger days, not proud of it, and definitely wouldn't do it again. The purchase does not leave you with any sort of satisfaction, as you know that what you have is an inferior quality, piece of crap, fake. Just say no kids  :-\

          Made in England, clothed in Japan, fed in America and drunk in Belgium !

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          • LuciferL
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            @Chris:

            There are actually people arguing that they have some sort of freedom of speech right on an online forum?  I really wish folks would get it through their heads that the Constitutional right to free speech only controls governmental restriction of public speech.  Non-governmental owners of private spaces can regulate in any way they want, reasonable or not.  You have zero rights on an online forum.  None.  If you disagree, then leave; that's your only "right".

            Just to be clear, that's totally fine with me.:)

            Having said that, fakes are wrong on every level.  I also participate on watchuseek, and discussion of counterfeit products is strictly forbidden.  Some try to skirt the ban with justifications of "replicas" and "homages“, but frankly, that's sh!t.  I've never heard a remotely compelling reason for purchasing counterfeit goods.

            Actually, most conventions does give states a positive duty to facilitate freedom of speech in addition to the negative duty (not to limit the people's freedom of speech actively). I'm quite sure that making moderators on an online forum accept crap does not come under this positive duty though..

            Seize the day and don't you cry.

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            • injunjackI
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              I didn't know if this is a rant or not…Maybe i'm just too old for this shit. But I just don't get jeans evo contests.

              Maybe I need some real denim geek/nerd to explain it to me over couple of beers. Jeans fade when you use 'em, that's it. 

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              • LuciferL
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                -20 celcius here today btw. Nippy.

                Seize the day and don't you cry.

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                • GilesG
                  Giles
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                  @Lucifer:

                  Love it…...

                  "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                  • GilesG
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                    I have been asked questions recently that have made me a little concerned about what members think that they can and can't do on this forum.

                    I would like to make it abundantly clear that questions about sizing/fit pics/discussions about other brands of jeans are welcome here.

                    I happen to represent Iron Heart, but that does not mean I have no interest in other brands.  There are a load of other brands out there that I have the utmost respect for.  I have spent a silly amount of money on other denim brands whilst I have been in the Far East, that's because I have a love for all (well most) things denim.  I am fascinated in different denims, different cuts and different approaches to construction.  It may be merely a pair of 5 pockets of jeans to some, but to me (and I believe most of our members), it is so much more.

                    If this forum is to add value to the greatest number of people, it should embrace other brands and interests too.  The more people we have contributing and finding this a useful place to be, the better it will be for all of us.

                    So please feel free to discuss any other brand you want to, I'll take it personally if you don't.

                    Giles

                    "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                    • Sugar MountainS
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                      @injunjack:

                      I didn't know if this is a rant or not…Maybe i'm just too old for this shit. But I just don't get jeans evo contests.

                      Maybe I need some real denim geek/nerd to explain it to me over couple of beers. Jeans fade when you use 'em, that's it. 

                      I think the appeal lies in seeing the same cut and denim evolve in wildly different ways amongst the participants of a contest depending on lifestyle, washing routine, care/lack of care et cetera. Most people don't appear to be actively trying to 'win' a contest but if people are going out of their way to fade their jeans rather than just let have them reflect daily wear, that makes no sense. The attraction of contests is way more in the community feeling that they serve to create in my opinion.

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                      • injunjackI
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                        so, where's my beer….:)

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                        • GilesG
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                          Same place as your contest registration…..

                          "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                          • Sugar MountainS
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                            @injunjack:

                            so, where's my beer….:)

                            I thought you were buying?

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                            • madmondayM
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                              all honne no tatemae, all the time

                              looking for the right way to do the wrong thing  😠

                              head high, middle finger higher

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                              • rocketR
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                                @madmonday:

                                looking for the right way to do the wrong thing  😠

                                oh, thats so me  😉

                                rocketrocksrox 🤙🏼🤙🏾

                                It's all humbug, like everywhere
                                R.I.P. Geo

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                                • ronaldlshR
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                                  I need some duck in my life!

                                  THE RAW WAR

                                  @ronaldlsh:

                                  > Just going to keep wearing IH.

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                                  • J-IVJ
                                    J-IV
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                                    @ronaldlsh:

                                    I need some duck in my life!

                                    IH-2526J
                                    IH-801
                                    IH-806
                                    IH-804
                                    IH-GEO duck verson(pending)

                                    Choose your picking 😉

                                    I'm as ugly as you

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                                    • L
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                                      @J-IV:

                                      @ronaldlsh:

                                      I need some duck in my life!

                                      IH-2526J
                                      IH-801
                                      IH-806
                                      IH-804
                                      IH-GEO duck verson(pending)

                                      Choose your picking 😉

                                      Or these: http://www.ironheart.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=316.msg140209#msg140209

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                                      • SeulS
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                                        Hey Lando: how quickly are you gonna cop those?.. I'm thinking I'll try and buy within 2 minutes…

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                                          @Seul:

                                          Hey Lando: how quickly are you gonna cop those?.. I'm thinking I'll try and buy within 2 minutes…

                                          1 then. 😉

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                                          • SeulS
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                                            Fuck yeah. I LOVE my 801s but think I'll prefer the slimmer version… Why am I buying jeans for spring/ summer by the way?.. Memo to Seul HQ (wherever that is based): buy lightweight ducks, wear for 4-5 months!..

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