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    • mclaincauseyM
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      The He valve carries cost in terms of initial outlay and maintenance and does nothing but weaken the case for a diving use case that will never be realized for 99.999% of these watches, when better case engineering would solve the problem. We didn't have the materials when these were pioneered that we do now. It is wholly an obsolete and pointless feature.

      It's also ugly but that's not the main issue. It's not "just another" crown, it's asymmetric and throws off the balance of the watch.

      Think it, be it.

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      • mclaincauseyM
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        @Graeme:

        My dislike for the HEV is more that it's become a design statement rather than an engineering solution. I find rotating bezels more annoying because they get knocked out of position all the time, and that bothers my OCD tendencies.

        To be fair I'm not a fan of divers watches for that reason, plus I'm not allowed to go scuba diving on account of my asthma, so they seem pointless.

        As for Omegas, they tend to be quite thick watches. The Planet Ocean is typical of this.

        At least with the bezel there are non-diving use cases as well as being a backup to a diving computer. I use my bezel to time things occasionally, which is why I also like chronographs.

        Think it, be it.

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        • DougNgD
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          If practicality were a priority mechanical watches would not be a discussion point.

          I know violence is not the answer, I got it wrong on purpose

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          • mclaincauseyM
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            I disagree with that. Everything on my watches has a function that I use. There may be MORE practical options but they are practical.

            Practicality is A, not THE, priority for me. Aesthetic balance is too.

            Think it, be it.

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            • DougNgD
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              Wait, what rotating bezels have you had that got knocked out of whack?

              I’ve never had that happen except on Seikos because their bezels are so loose.

              I know violence is not the answer, I got it wrong on purpose

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              • JDelageJ
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                That happens on my Seamaster sometimes.

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                • ChrisC
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                  @DougNg:

                  "I have an ugly crown at both 3 and 10 o'clock but I only hate the one at ten because it's a second one.."

                  Actually, yeah.  That pretty much sums it up.  I dislike watches with internal rotating bezels for that reason, too.
                  The one at 3 is necessary, and regularly used, so that makes it acceptable.  But ideally, a watch would have no crowns.  That's why I like the Pita Barcelona Oceana.  I'd like it even better if it weren't so damn tall, though.

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                  • DougNgD
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                    Hm, weird. I get the feeling that the fact it has no crown bugs me as much as it bugs you the Seamaster has two…

                    It looks like a compass...

                    And in my favorite case material no less... 😉

                    I know violence is not the answer, I got it wrong on purpose

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                    • GraemeG
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                      My issue with rotating bezels is that they typically get knocked from being aligned with 12 o'clock to a couple of clicks anticlockwise a few times per day. Then my OCD tendencies cause me to reset it, which means turning it through 350° as it only rotates in one direction.

                      Further the rotation bezel makes a diver's watch a bit thicker.

                      I think that something like a Rolex Explorer, JLC Geophysic, or Omega Railmaster is a more sensible option for day to day wear. They're slimmer, so fit under cuffs, don't have an annoying bezel, and are tough enough to stand up to whatever life throws at you. Plus you're not making out that you're a rugged diver. Unless you're Jason Heaton, who actually takes his swimming!

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                      • DougNgD
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                        Fair enough. I’ll add that a 40mm field watch has a bigger face and is more legible than a 40mm diver.

                        I know violence is not the answer, I got it wrong on purpose

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                        • ChrisC
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                          @DougNg:

                          And in my favorite case material no less… 😉

                          I do know your unwavering love for titanium.

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                          • ChrisC
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                            @Graeme:

                            Further the rotation bezel makes a diver's watch a bit thicker.

                            I think that something like a Rolex Explorer, JLC Geophysic, or Omega Railmaster is a more sensible option for day to day wear. They're slimmer, so fit under cuffs, don't have an annoying bezel, and are tough enough to stand up to whatever life throws at you.

                            This is all valid.  I think the Railmaster is a great watch, too.  But for no valid reason, I prefer divers…

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                            • GilesG
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                              I love the fact that it is a PITA….

                              "OK face up to it - you're useless but generally pretty honest and straightforward . . . it's a rare combination of qualities that I have come to admire in you" - Geo 2011

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                              • GraemeG
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                                @Chris no harm in liking diver's. It'd be really boring if we all had the same tastes.

                                @Giles I got a cheap laugh out of Pita too.

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                                • chiverusC
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                                  249 today to brighten up this rainy day

                                  Verstuurd vanaf mijn SM-G928F met Tapatalk

                                  Beautiful 249 @Syb
                                  My trusty ancient Pam 25

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                                  • mclaincauseyM
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                                    Interesting article on the topic of He in a completely unrelated way: the impact it has on Apple MEMS componentry, as found in all iOS devices, including the watch, is fatal.

                                    https://hothardware.com/news/how-an-mri-machine-zapped-only-apple-iphones-ipads-and-watches-in-an-entire-building

                                    Think it, be it.

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                                    • mclaincauseyM
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                                      @DougNg:

                                      Wait, what rotating bezels have you had that got knocked out of whack?

                                      I’ve never had that happen except on Seikos because their bezels are so loose.

                                      Super dangerous if actually using to time a dive.

                                      Think it, be it.

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                                      • SybS
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                                        @chiverus  Nice! I like the 25. It's a great daily beater.

                                        Verstuurd vanaf mijn SM-N960F met Tapatalk

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                                        • JDelageJ
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                                          @mclaincausey:

                                          @DougNg:

                                          Wait, what rotating bezels have you had that got knocked out of whack?

                                          I’ve never had that happen except on Seikos because their bezels are so loose.

                                          Super dangerous if actually using to time a dive.

                                          Not really because those bezels are typically unidirectional, and therefore will always ere on the side of shortening your dive.

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                                          • mclaincauseyM
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                                            …unless it gets whacked all the way around. Some of them (e.g. 50 Fathoms) are so loud you'd hopefully hear it.

                                            Think it, be it.

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