Posts made by nurlank

6-month review:
I am an overly picky customer in terms of quality checks. Sales people must be cursing me.

But even I am really happy with the superior quality of 777s-21 and definitely can recommend as a kick-off pair for IH first timers.
All the seams, details have been done at 11-out-of-10 quality. Neat and clean work.
I wasn't that lucky with 19L pair, had to return having some issues with inner seams, but will give 19L a try another time.

As for the 777s-21:

1. the test I am constantly giving this is almost daily (average) 5-mile walks, up and down the hill, with multiple squats to lace up shoes or scratch my ankle. Usually only 2-3 hours a day, but pressure they experience is probably more than they would get from a 8-hour wear by a person with sedentary lifestyle. I turned them inside out and checked the seams (fly, inseams, outseams, etc.). They are still going strong, not even a sign of going sideways. Worth it's price and a good investment.

2. After a prolonged 3-hour soak the fabric became denser, thicker and sort of rougher (only 3 hand washes so far). This affected the way they fade. Fades started popping up all over the surface. Not just honeycombs or whiskers. It became kind of uneven and sharper, which I like. Sorry, photos don't reflect the colors in full.

3. I will keep on long-soak + hand wash practice until creases and fades set up, and then want to give them a good machine wash. For some reason I am into rather vintage fades.

4. They did stretch in waist, but tend to get back if stay on the hanger for a couple of days. I would say width fluctuating back and forth based on frequency of use. This must be true about 21 oz, not sure how other fabric types act. But definitely they are very pliable and easy to wear, not that tight like used to do when I newly got them out of the package. Also no baggy saggy backside or knee bubbles. This is a pleasant surprise.

QUESTION to the old wolves from a rookie raw and unwashed.
I happened to keep my 777s-21 soaked in cold water for 3 hours. Had to work and forgot about it.
When came back, the water was quite dark (dirt or indigo or both). So I decided to agitate it and get it all out.

1. The inseam was 33+ inches. I am a stack guy and had several stack creases bunched up. After air dry the length went to 32.3 and just a couple of stack creases. I could feel it became shorter by almost 2/3 inch right away.
2. The fabric throughout the entire pair became kind of denser and thicker. Stacks are sort of bunched up and stay that way themselves.
3. Still OK, no problem. It's just not stacking up like it used to do. I even like the way it started fading now.
   Just curious, if it might be due to prolonged stay in the water (though cold) or agitation? Maybe both?

Just got a new pair. The overlock on the inner part of button fly is kind of loose along with the selvedge line.

Is this a defect?
Has anyone else had this?

I am not concerned about esthetics.
Just don't want that part to go off after a couple of machine washes.

Wow! Thank you all a lot.
It seems 19 oz one is going to be my choice.
Greatly appreciate your insights and sharing tons of experience.

@Luijim78 & @Oaktavia thank you guys so much for the insights.

I need a new jacket and advice. At first I was going to buy 21 oz. Kind of default choice.
But the old wolves on this forum wrote that the 21 oz sleeves are too wide and slouch. Rather good for big framed guys (with somewhat present biceps) than slimmer ones like me.
They recommended 14 oz saying it has slimmer sleeve cut. So I decided to pass on 21 oz, but hasn't stop on 14 oz yet.
Can anyone, please, share their sleeve experience with this 19 oz super stiff beast? Watched videos, browsed pictures, but still couldn't figure out the sleeve thing.
Is it wide like with 21 oz? How would it be compared to 21 oz cut - wider, slimmer?
Thanks everybody in advance.
P.S. Stiffness is not scaring me out. Years ago started with 21 oz Unbranded which was rather breaking me in ))) So as a guy who knows the drill I am curious about 19 oz

@Evertonman I am not a vet, still raw & unwashed ))) So, it's going to be a rookie advice ))
I would assume that probably yes, a hot soak can potentially get it shrunk a bit. Not crazy like a couple of inches, but considerably.
Last time after I gave them a tub wash in a "very warm" water (not hot), they sat on me quite tighter, on butt and thighs.
Yes, they stretched out then a bit, but still quite tighter than used to do even after multiple wears. Though I am a skinny guy, so works for me.
You can try to give them a hot soak for an hour and see how far shrinkage can go

@goosehd thank you, will look into

@goosehd thank you. Then I will get a leather conditioner. Need it in anyway for my belts
Can you guys recommend some?
Thank you

I wear my pair for only my daily 2 to 3-hour evening walks and grocery shopping trips. Around 15-20 hours per week. My estimate is that the net wear time is around 3-4 months.
Gave it a tub wash. Tons of indigo dye went off. The color changed drastically. Fades are becoming 3D: whiskers, honeycombs... even the front pocket bags' fades started protruding from the inside.
The fabric became more dense and thicker. As overall I am happy with the result and going to wash it more frequently, probably once a month.
P.S. Decided also to have some fun. I don't have a leather conditioner. Just of curiosity I applied a thick 1-mm layer of unsalted butter onto the leather patch in the evening. In the morning the whole layer disappeared, not even oily residues. The leather patch ate it all

@Denimhead-0 awesome, nice look

@Giles @Ikeaparty @chrisjohnnick
Thank you guys so much.
I'll probably take a risk - presoak them and wash them on a regular cycle

@Ikeaparty
Nice work.
Have you only soaked this pair or gave it a machine wash too?
The honeycombs seem to be very pronounced

Hello @Giles @Alex and other folks.

Would you mind to share how do you machine wash your jeans: regular/cold, delicate wash or something else?
After machine wash pics would be awesome.

1. @Giles and @Alex your after-wash fades are a masterpiece! Have seen some of the pics you guys posted. Especially liked 18 oz vintage and natural indigo after wash. This became kind of benchmark for me and I'd like to follow your footsteps. It seems to me you guys wash your jeans frequently, like every 1-2 month, if assuming correctly.
2. The reason I am asking is that it's time to wash mine. It's been 14 months since I bought my IH-777S-21. But finishing up another pair I kept the IH-777S-21 just in rotation for the first 6 months, but then accelerated wear ratio in favor of 777. The net wear time should be around 3-4 months with a couple of initial soaks.
3. Some fades are there. Not badly dirty, but some wash would be OK; up until now just used a brush to shake off dust and dry dirt. I also normally "bathe" my jeans to prevent crotch blow-outs. But with IH don't want to screw it up and looking for an advice from the old fade wolves

If other folks can contribute their washing methods and experiences, it would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you all in advance

As overall I cannot be more happier then I currently am with my IH-777S-21 experience (14 months). I literally caught the IH bug too

Now I cannot do my willpower and finish up my previous half faded pair (another brand). Which is sadly sitting now in the closet and I am so sorry about those good jeans too.

1. Special thanks to @Alex who took his time to measure and pick the right pair for me. It's not even a little snug, but just right. I still can pinch out a 0.5 mm of fabric off my thigh area. But in general sits like a glove.

2. I unfairly expected it to get stretched and become baggy in the butt and, maybe, knees areas. But not at all. It stretches a bit in waste and thigh area (like 1-1.5 cm) when on and takes my body shape. But, when off, after spending a day or two on a hanger, it gets back to its default size.

3. Though having a mostly sedentary job (mostly from home), I walk a lot everyday, up to 8 km. So, IH-777s-21 are walker approved When walking it gets adapted to my moves. Very comfortable, I can easily squat to do my shoe laces, bend over or lift my leg to scratch my ankle, walk up the hill or staircase. Nothing restricting.

4. Interestingly, when walking on a flat surface, changes with honeycombs and whiskers are regularly mild. But when walking up the hill (relatively steep, 25-35 degree), fades really kick in and become sort of 3D Honeycombs, whiskers, front and back of thighs, watch pocket fades pop up almost immediately. More than after bike ride, which I did several times too.

Does this one have inner pockets?