Alexander Leathers
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Since writing the post re: Aero above. I have been contacted by Aero. I have made the following edit to that post.
EDIT ** Refers to both IH and Aero invoices. Since writing this, I have been contacted by Aero who point out that they can only find one invoice raised by Aero to Iron Heart. As you may know, Aero sold Iron Heart and Flat Head clothing which we supplied them. Aero paid a number of IH invoices but after a while got behind on payments, I was not particularly bothered as I was taking their product. At some point Will and I agreed to contra some Aero goods supplied to us against some of what we had supplied Aero. I gave full disclosure of this arrangement and supplied all the available documentation to the Police when I was interviewed.
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Giles,
FWIW, I have not seen any evidence thus far that you or IH engaged in any wrongful conduct. Will Lauder (“WL”) may not have properly accounted for IH’s dealings with Aero before his departure (I have no idea), but that is not IH’s responsibility absent complicity by IH (and I have not seen any evidence of complicity). It appears that you/IH have cooperated with the investigation of this issue.
My primary criticism concerns your suggestion that WL’s misdeeds do not affect Alexander Leather (“AL”).
Whatever Will Lauder may or may not have done, has little bearing on what Alexander Leathers are doing. The court action was against Will Lauder as an individual and nothing whatsoever to do with Alexander Leathers.
Respectfully, and based on what I have read about the three week trial, I strongly disagree. According to the trial testimony summarized on TFL by someone who sat through the entire trial, AL was a central component of the trial. By way of example, according to the summarized trial testimony on TFL, it appears that:
• WL attempted to broker Sandy Alexander’s purchase of Aero;
• When Ken Calder rejected Sandy Alexander’s bid to purchase Aero, WL stole Aero’s jacket patterns (after tasking an Aero employee with replicating the patterns over a six month period); and
• After he was caught stealing from Aero, WL founded AL (with Sandy Alexander) and employed the stolen Aero patterns at AL.To be clear, my understanding of the above-stated claims is based solely and exclusively on the trial summaries posted on TFL, I have zero personal knowledge of any of the foregoing, and I have no idea if the foregoing is accurate. That said, if the reports of the trial are accurate, WL’s wrongdoing – for which he was criminally convicted – is clearly and inextricably linked to AL.
Moreover, one of AL’s founders, owners and managers is now a convicted criminal and, importantly, he was convicted of stealing from one of AL’s competitors. That cannot be ignored. If AL allows this convicted criminal to remain with the company, that would speak volumes about AL. IMHO, AL should employ all available remedies to disassociate itself from WL. Anything less suggests that AL condones WL’s criminal conduct. Of course, any ex post facto disassociation would not remedy AL’s prior involvement/wrongdoing, if any, nor absolve AL of liability/responsibility, if any.
As to IH, WL was clearly a key component of IH’s relationship with AL. WL established the relationship with IH, was actively involved in the design and creation of the joint venture jackets, and was IH’s primary contact. WL was IH’s guy. Thus, IH did business with a criminal. As stated upfront, I am not presently aware of any evidence that IH knew that WL was a criminal. However, IH now knows that WL is a criminal. IH also knows that AL’s founder, owner and manager is a criminal, and he was convicted of stealing from a competitor. Assuming IH was completely unaware of WL’s criminal conduct prior to the trial and conviction, IH is guilty of nothing more than unknowingly doing business with a criminal. This is not the first time that someone unknowingly did business with a criminal, nor will it be the last. Now, IH must decide how to proceed in light of recent events.
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Damn, this makes me glad that I don't participate in any other forums.
same here…
Amazing...That's amazing that you, Giles and you, Paula, have to...jesus my poor english... justify or explain yourself on your own forum...
8 years now that i make some order or whatever with you and...nothing has changed! Still very beautiful person! Building a buisiness with respect & humanity! Why there is more than 5000 members on this forum?!? Me, i know why!!
Peace & Love!Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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defined terms in an IH forum post… too much for my small brain, lawyers always write so proper!
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If it doesn't affect the product, why should I care about legal wrangling?
Some people care about the character and integrity of the people they do business with.
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Since all of the experts on this entire debacle are over at the Fedora Lounge, perhaps this discussion would be better over there.
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Some people care about the character and integrity of the people they do business with.
Exactly why I love IH - and Giles (to a significantly lesser extent though)…
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IH's position and response has been made clear by Giles. Move along…
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Some people care about the character and integrity of the people they do business with.
Exactly why I love IH - and Giles (to a significantly lesser extent though)…
I prefer to buy my clothes from unscrupulous bastards.
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I personally enjoy putting my hands over my ears and going lalalalalala, rather than questioning why Giles has changed his story on this thread in less than a day
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And since people refuse to act like civilized adults, I think we'll just lock this thread for a while.
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@Cannes:
I personally enjoy putting my hands over my ears and going lalalalalala, rather than questioning why Giles has changed his story on this thread in less than a day
Cool. Actually he just added a little extra info, just helping to clarify the facts
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@Superfluous yes you are, and @Cannes Cannes no you can't.
I'm banning both of you. I can't stop you talking shit about me elsewhere, but I can here.
For those of you who would like to follow what appears to be a hate campaign about me as an individual and Iron Heart as a company, you can go here.
http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showthread.php?81945-Aero-Leather-Clothing-trial-update/page34
I have not read the whole thread, but this is the page I was pointed to yesterday that prompted me to make the post above.
And @Cannes Cannes , I did not change my story, I edited to ensure it could not be misinterpreted as it had been earlier in the day
